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jedwio
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I've built up a decent set of climbing gear but am tired of the disorganization in my top loading back packs. I've been looking around for a dedicated crag bag where I can keep my climbing rope (80m), shoes, helmet, slings, topos, food, water, etc. and neatly organize my gear on gear loops. I'd like the bag to be durable (an Osprey like guarantee would be great :-) ) and have sturdy, comfy ergonomic straps for the hike up. Most importantly I'd like it to be fully opening on its side with an all round zipper like one of these bags:
I read about an interesting bag that might fit the bill, the Kelty Origami/Oragami from the early 2000s but its out of production as far as I can see.
Can anyone else recommend a bag that meets all or most of the above criteria?
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gmggg
Aug 22, 2011, 5:26 PM
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Pusher is making a bag similar to the Kelty Origami.
http://www.pushergear.com/The-Sack_p_84.html
It carries surprisingly well and it performs pretty much exactly as advertised. I don't really have anything negative to say about it at all.
Also, Edelrid is going to be coming out with a few different rope bag/backpack combos that look really really promising. I think those will be available late this year or spring next year.
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gmggg
Aug 22, 2011, 5:27 PM
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Here's a pic of the Edelrid "crag bag".
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jedwio
Aug 22, 2011, 5:41 PM
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This one looks pretty good... This is an unreleased model? where did you get the picture - is there an article I can read up more about it?
The first bag you posted look good too. do you know if they fit 80m ropes?
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gmggg
Aug 22, 2011, 6:02 PM
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jedwio wrote: This one looks pretty good... This is an unreleased model? where did you get the picture - is there an article I can read up more about it? The first bag you posted look good too. do you know if they fit 80m ropes?
I saw the Edelrid pack at a show and that was the word from the rep on availability. The pic is from their website. Their distribution is kind of odd in the US; those packs may already be available in Europe and they may be hard to find in the US.
The Sack is huge. You could fit three 80m ropes in it and still have room for other stuff. The Edelrid pack is 30 liters, I doubt it will have a problem with 80m.
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markcarlson
Aug 22, 2011, 6:09 PM
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I have an Arcteryx Miura 30 that I like to take cragging. The 50L version holds a rope inside. Arcteryx makes a rope bag that is designed to fit the 50L pack.
The internal gear loops are OK.
Pros:
- Carries well (aluminum stays and thick enough padding that you don't feel cams being jammed into your back)
- Free replacement straps when they fall off
- Top loading and it opens all the way up
- Can be stripped down quickly to avoid snagging on trees/bushes
- Durable fabric
Cons:
- It's not cheap
- It's heavy
- Compression straps and sternum strap can fall off pretty easy if you don't leave them done up
http://arcteryx.com/...spx?EN/Mens/Miura-50
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garythenuke
Aug 22, 2011, 7:43 PM
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gmggg wrote: Pusher is making a bag similar to the Kelty Origami. [image]http://www.pushergear.com/assets/images/thesack350.jpg[/image] http://www.pushergear.com/The-Sack_p_84.html It carries surprisingly well and it performs pretty much exactly as advertised. I don't really have anything negative to say about it at all. Also, Edelrid is going to be coming out with a few different rope bag/backpack combos that look really really promising. I think those will be available late this year or spring next year.
The pusher looks awesome. Exactly what I need. Except that it looks like it can only be carried suit case style. At least that is all they have on the web site. Can you carry it on your back?
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Couloirman
Aug 22, 2011, 8:51 PM
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garythenuke wrote: The pusher looks awesome. Exactly what I need. Except that it looks like it can only be carried suit case style. At least that is all they have on the web site. Can you carry it on your back?
Sounds like you can.
http://rockandice.com/.../805-pusher-the-sack
I just ordered one though so Ill let you know in a bit!
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garythenuke
Aug 22, 2011, 8:55 PM
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Couloirman wrote: garythenuke wrote: The pusher looks awesome. Exactly what I need. Except that it looks like it can only be carried suit case style. At least that is all they have on the web site. Can you carry it on your back? Sounds like you can. http://rockandice.com/.../805-pusher-the-sack I just ordered one though so Ill let you know in a bit!
Thanks in advance.
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gmggg
Aug 23, 2011, 3:22 PM
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garythenuke wrote: Couloirman wrote: garythenuke wrote: The pusher looks awesome. Exactly what I need. Except that it looks like it can only be carried suit case style. At least that is all they have on the web site. Can you carry it on your back? Sounds like you can. http://rockandice.com/.../805-pusher-the-sack I just ordered one though so Ill let you know in a bit! Well I'll be danged. I didn't see the back strap pics. I'll be very interested to hear what you have to write about it. please do a review. Thanks in advance.
It's pretty awesome. As I said upthread it carries surprisingly well for a backpack of this style. It's a breeze to move around the crag, and I've used the rope bucket configuration a ton.
I love it.
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garythenuke
Aug 23, 2011, 4:13 PM
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How does it carry for scrambling? Can you do 4th class or low 5th with this pack? Or is it sloppy enough to throw your balance off? Some places I go have a very easy approach on a dirt trail right to the base of the rock. Other places it's "quite a bit" more.
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gmggg
Aug 23, 2011, 5:54 PM
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garythenuke wrote: How does it carry for scrambling? Can you do 4th class or low 5th with this pack? Or is it sloppy enough to throw your balance off? Some places I go have a very easy approach on a dirt trail right to the base of the rock. Other places it's "quite a bit" more.
That's a bit nuanced for the internet. For this pack it really depends on how much stuff is in there, how it is loaded, how tight it's strapped down, and how it fits you.
For me, I'd be comfortable carrying it on pretty much any approach I've encountered. When folded flat it forms an ~30" tall by 20" wide rectangle (That's from memory don't go whipping out your ruler) so if you have a slimmer build with narrow shoulders I can see some issues with a change in your COG. How big a deal that is to you I can not say.
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garythenuke
Aug 23, 2011, 6:08 PM
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I understand completely. I know it's somewhere between riding like a military duffle bag and a Cilgear. I'm just trying to figure out which it's closer to. I know that in the end it's all pp.
Thanks.
(This post was edited by garythenuke on Aug 23, 2011, 6:24 PM)
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tH1e-swiN1e
Aug 27, 2011, 4:52 PM
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Ive owned several crag packs and the best Ive owned have been Arcteryx Muira 50 or the Mammut Neon 45. A little pricey but well worth the money. Organization wise you cant beat a Mammut pack.
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garythenuke
Aug 27, 2011, 11:18 PM
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I love the look of that Neon 45. I hadn't seen that one.. sigh... So much gear, so little bandwidth...
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sungam
Aug 28, 2011, 10:02 AM
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Meh, as far as I am concerned those fold open packs can sukkit. I don't like unversitile products. Give me a Cilo 40 any day.
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gmggg
Aug 31, 2011, 6:24 PM
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sungam wrote: Meh, as far as I am concerned those fold open packs can sukkit. I don't like unversitile products. Give me a Cilo 40 any day.
Which one(s) have you used?
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sungam
Sep 1, 2011, 9:43 AM
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gmggg wrote: sungam wrote: Meh, as far as I am concerned those fold open packs can sukkit. I don't like unversitile products. Give me a Cilo 40 any day. Which one(s) have you used?
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gmggg
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sungam wrote: gmggg wrote: sungam wrote: Meh, as far as I am concerned those fold open packs can sukkit. I don't like unversitile products. Give me a Cilo 40 any day. Which one(s) have you used? Which of the specifically made crag packs? I've actually only carried the MH Splitter pack. I mean, it was neat having everything orginised there for you, but in reality I think it saved around 30 seconds of rummaging time. I have borrowed and used several other packs from mountain technology, lowe alpine, berghaus, arc'teryx, and grivel. Maybe some others.
Which folding packs?
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sungam
Sep 2, 2011, 10:33 AM
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Folding like the ones in the OP? Just the Splitter (I think that was the name).
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gmggg
Sep 2, 2011, 1:19 PM
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sungam wrote: Folding like the ones in the OP? Just the Splitter (I think that was the name).
Ah, I assumed that by "folding packs" you meant the ones that folded into their shape from a flat form. and not the panel loading packs.
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sungam
Sep 2, 2011, 4:16 PM
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gmggg wrote: sungam wrote: Folding like the ones in the OP? Just the Splitter (I think that was the name). Ah, I assumed that by "folding packs" you meant the ones that folded into their shape from a flat form. and not the panel loading packs.
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gmggg
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sungam wrote: gmggg wrote: sungam wrote: Folding like the ones in the OP? Just the Splitter (I think that was the name). Ah, I assumed that by "folding packs" you meant the ones that folded into their shape from a flat form. and not the panel loading packs. Yeah, it was one of those times where the phrase made sense to me cuz I knew I was thinking but was actually a poor description. I tend to do that a lot.
No worries, I was really just hoping to hear about some new pack companies or models that I hadn't seen before.
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Couloirman
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My Sack from Pusher just arrived and I loaded it up with all my gear for a trip to Rumney this weekend. I can already tell this thing is a winner. If you want a new crag bag, look no further. The only complaint I have is the logo is giant. I am going to order a second one if I can get it made sterile with no logo. That is how much I like this bag.
EDIT: OK, it is a great bag but it is hit or miss for some. If it fits your body type youll be fine. I like the way it carries but some of my friends absolutely hate it. The arm straps are not very adjustable. I might like my BD Demon duffel better but the pusher sack is a lot bigger so depends on how much stuff you need to carry.
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tower_climber
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Check out the Mammut Neon Gear 45 pack.
http://www.rei.com/product/798183/mammut-neon-gear-45-climbing-pack
I really like mine for day trips.
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I like the bd demon duffle. Fits lots of gear and is easy on the wallet. Love the duffle opening. Depending on your budget you may want a pack with more features.
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My favorite crag bag is still a smaller sized haul bag. Especially in the desert southwest where you often carry a ton of camming units and two ropes on most days. A haul bag is never going wear out, tare, blow out a seem, or let your hardware poke into your back like a soft pack will. It's a "wearable bucket" for your gear!
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Sep 15, 2011, 2:28 AM
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sungam wrote: Meh, as far as I am concerned those fold open packs can sukkit. I don't like unversitile products. Give me a Cilo 40 any day.
shit. I won't finish my current projects then. damn it. crap.
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bit of a tangential thread-jack...
many moons ago, when i did a lot of backpacking, Dana design was making custom-molded panels for their packs. even someone else's pack was more comfortable on long treks than any other pack, not to mention your own.
Dana has since changed hands many times and (i think) ended up under Marmot, who has no such thing to my knowledge.
Has another company picked up the idea or has that technology fallen by the wayside as well?
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crackers wrote: sungam wrote: Meh, as far as I am concerned those fold open packs can sukkit. I don't like unversitile products. Give me a Cilo 40 any day. shit. I won't finish my current projects then. damn it. crap.
Sorry , brah, I hate being the bearer of bad news, but you brought this on yourself.
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gmggg wrote: garythenuke wrote: Couloirman wrote: garythenuke wrote: The pusher looks awesome. Exactly what I need. Except that it looks like it can only be carried suit case style. At least that is all they have on the web site. Can you carry it on your back? Sounds like you can. http://rockandice.com/.../805-pusher-the-sack I just ordered one though so Ill let you know in a bit! Well I'll be danged. I didn't see the back strap pics. I'll be very interested to hear what you have to write about it. please do a review. Thanks in advance. It's pretty awesome. As I said upthread it carries surprisingly well for a backpack of this style. It's a breeze to move around the crag, and I've used the rope bucket configuration a ton. I love it.
So many man bags/purses to choose from, get two!
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billcoe_
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desertdude420 wrote: My favorite crag bag is still a smaller sized haul bag. Especially in the desert southwest where you often carry a ton of camming units and two ropes on most days. A haul bag is never going wear out, tare, blow out a seem, or let your hardware poke into your back like a soft pack will. It's a "wearable bucket" for your gear!
the Cilogear Hauly is exactly that. EXCEPT MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE! http://www.rockclimbing.com/...orum_view_collapsed;
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ncrockclimber
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chilli wrote: bit of a tangential thread-jack... many moons ago, when i did a lot of backpacking, Dana design was making custom-molded panels for their packs. even someone else's pack was more comfortable on long treks than any other pack, not to mention your own. Dana has since changed hands many times and (i think) ended up under Marmot, who has no such thing to my knowledge. Has another company picked up the idea or has that technology fallen by the wayside as well?
Not sure about the custom molded panels, but Dana Gleason (owner and brains behind Dana Designs) has a new company called Mystery Ranch. I have not used one of their packs, but from all I have heard they make some of the best backpacks for carrying heavy to huge loads.
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