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caughtinside
Oct 26, 2012, 2:29 AM
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LOL. You've never put up a sport route in New Mexico. You also appear ignorant of the history of sport climbing there.
But your ability to call people the same name over and over is impressive. A well honed debate skill.
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jbone
Oct 26, 2012, 2:57 AM
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I have developed limestone. From experience, you will learn to regret ever leaving your mark on any route. Not realizing that now is only a testament to your own experience.
Allow the holds to comfortize through routine ascents rather than using a tool to speed through the process. If your route sucks it will stay sharp cause no-one wants to climb it. If its too good to put down then it will comfortize as people yard and stand on them as footholds.
If your psych and motivation push you to develop lines contrary to these simple principles then maybe you are not really ready to contribute at this level.
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hugepedro
Oct 26, 2012, 2:58 AM
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caughtinside wrote: LOL. You've never put up a sport route in New Mexico. You also appear ignorant of the history of sport climbing there. But your ability to call people the same name over and over is impressive. A well honed debate skill.
Suuuure.
I'll point out that there is absolutely nothing in your comment that counters anything I've said. The last resort of a losing argument, try to discredit your opponent instead of win the argument on fact or logic.
It's gettin weak in here.
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hugepedro
Oct 26, 2012, 3:22 AM
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jbone wrote: I have developed limestone. From experience, you will learn to regret ever leaving your mark on any route. Not realizing that now is only a testament to your own experience. Allow the holds to comfortize through routine ascents rather than using a tool to speed through the process. If your route sucks it will stay sharp cause no-one wants to climb it. If its too good to put down then it will comfortize as people yard and stand on them as footholds. If your psych and motivation push you to develop lines contrary to these simple principles then maybe you are not really ready to contribute at this level.
Now we're talkin!
See, these guys develop in their little insular worlds. Without the moderating factor of climbing outside what they know, they let their egos drive them to be "THE DEVELOPER" that climbers who don't know better worship, and thus they rationalize weak ethics.
I get that the ethic they understand is normal in high traffic sport areas, but they are mistaken if they think this is THE ethic. There are LOTS of sport areas and routes that do not follow this low standard that they espouse.
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papapetro
Oct 26, 2012, 5:58 AM
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Peter, I've climbed some awesome lines in limestone that were totally Bosched out. None of them were sub-11. Where was it that you climbed your 11.a project on the "climbstone". The VRG doesn't even start until 11.b. The climb that the OP is referring to is something you will never even have to consider attempting. The people developing these climbs are on a different level than you. Climb at Mt. Charelston and tell the people warming up on your projects that they are pussies. I'm sure you'll find outside of your venues that you are the pussy.
Shut up and pull hard you pussy.
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caughtinside
Oct 26, 2012, 3:49 PM
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hugepedro wrote: caughtinside wrote: LOL. You've never put up a sport route in New Mexico. You also appear ignorant of the history of sport climbing there. But your ability to call people the same name over and over is impressive. A well honed debate skill. Suuuure. I'll point out that there is absolutely nothing in your comment that counters anything I've said. The last resort of a losing argument, try to discredit your opponent instead of win the argument on fact or logic. It's gettin weak in here.
I don't need to discredit you, you never had much credit to begin with. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You just have near zero basis for yours.
We are discussing what goes on it putting up sport routes on chossy stone. You have put up zero sport routes.
What is mostly impressive is your stalwart ability to continue to argue as if you know what you are talking about. I use the word 'argue' loosely, as it mostly comes down to namecalling. Not even creative or inventive namecalling.
No, not all crags are developed the same. Some of that is because they are done by different people, and some of that is because each crag is different in stone and angle. Which is a good thing. You might call them different situations, and your actions in different situations might be different. Huge suprise there.
I forget what other points you think you made up there because they've mostly been addressed in some form or another in this thread and I'm not really interested in re debating them with someone who is ignorant of the process.
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IsayAutumn
Oct 26, 2012, 6:41 PM
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caughtinside wrote: hugepedro wrote: caughtinside wrote: LOL. You've never put up a sport route in New Mexico. You also appear ignorant of the history of sport climbing there. But your ability to call people the same name over and over is impressive. A well honed debate skill. Suuuure. I'll point out that there is absolutely nothing in your comment that counters anything I've said. The last resort of a losing argument, try to discredit your opponent instead of win the argument on fact or logic. It's gettin weak in here. I don't need to discredit you, you never had much credit to begin with. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You just have near zero basis for yours. We are discussing what goes on it putting up sport routes on chossy stone. You have put up zero sport routes. What is mostly impressive is your stalwart ability to continue to argue as if you know what you are talking about. I use the word 'argue' loosely, as it mostly comes down to namecalling. Not even creative or inventive namecalling. No, not all crags are developed the same. Some of that is because they are done by different people, and some of that is because each crag is different in stone and angle. Which is a good thing. You might call them different situations, and your actions in different situations might be different. Huge suprise there. I forget what other points you think you made up there because they've mostly been addressed in some form or another in this thread and I'm not really interested in re debating them with someone who is ignorant of the process.
This is becoming a beat down. Was a good run, though.
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gratefuljoe
Oct 26, 2012, 6:56 PM
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I chopped a shit load of bolts in Cimarron, New Mexico that some ass put next to good crack lines were they your bolts? or was that one of MR. Jackson's climbs |
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