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I am new to climbing, so be easy on me, fellas :) I just bought my first pair of climbing shoes yesterday. It's a Merrell Reach Pro Velcro (the salesperson at the store told me it was perfect for indoor climbing). It's a 44 (US 10.5), the same size as my street shoes. But GODDAMN is it ever TIGHT!! My toes are totally curled in and squished together. Walking in them is very painful, and I walk like there's a fist up my a$$. I briefly tried climbing in them, and pushing off my toes was PAINFUL.

Having read other shoe threads on this forum, I am guessing that these will soon stretch and fit me like a glove. However, I would like to accelerate this process (and skip the painful part!) by the "hot water treatment" some people suggested. Can anyone tell me more about this process? Any pros/cons I need to be aware of?

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Sid Rock

PS: This is a great place to hang out, you guys rock! I'd also bet there are more members with six-packs on this forum than any other forum on the internet!


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that sucks when you buy your first pair of shoes and the dude selling them to you says that the 'experts' climb with shoes two sizes too small and cons you into following suit. A begginner dosen't need that extra pain when starting to climb.

As for stretch; don't count on it. All shoes stretch a little but it won't be noticeable.

The two sizes smaller thing is a way that retailers can drop another pair of shoes on unsuspecting newbies and make more money


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Hey Sid. Welcome to rc.com! It's always great to have new members pitch in!
As far as your question, I've never tried it. I've head that you can put on your shoes and soak them in water. My concern would be that the leather may get stiff after they dry. My Moccasyms got quite sweaty and the leather stiffened up. I don't wear them anymore.


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You are going to find that your shoes will stretch, but not much lenghtwise. In other words get used to your toes hurting. Sorry...


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ha ha ha ha haaa ha haa ha ha the initiation begins. Grin and bear it your bottom dogs will acclimatize in time. I went to a well known store where the salesperson told me I should get size 7.5 when I wear a 10.5, the schmuck it's a physical impossibility. I ended up taking a size 10 and wish I would have gone for 10.5. And the other posts are right they don't stretch very much.


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I have the same problem with my shoes, except that I bought them over the net and never got to try them on. When ever I don’t climb I put shoe insets in them (the shoe insets for fancy shoes) and crank them up a few sizes, so next time you put them on they should be a little stretched and give your feet a little break. Hope this helps.

Peace.


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Yeah, I got the same story when I was looking, " Buy small. If they are comfortable, they won't work." from a couple guys at EMS and others. Finally one guy at REI said, " Dude, are you climbing El CAp or just screwing around at you local crag? Buy comfortable. Here try these on that wall over there."
Bought a pair of 5.10 Spires that are comfortable-snug and don't think they've held me back yet. See if you can still return yours. You'll probably thank yourself. If and when you become a 5.14+ monster, then buy the toe crunchers, but by then you'll probably have more than one pair anyway.

Just my $.02


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My philosophy is to buy whatever shoes are the most comfortable. I tried on every pair of shoes in the store and bought the ones that fit the best. I think a good shop won't mind going the extra distance to have another satisfied customer. I buy 90% of my gear there and I don't mind paying a little extra over internet prices to get good service. Getting back to the point, I think any gains made by a tight fitting shoe will be offset by having them fit well and therefor you can concentrate more on climbing. Bottom line: climbing shoes do not have to be painfull to do their job.


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thats so funny wideguy, ems was where I got the errant advice


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Well, I'd say you bought them too big. Your feet just need some time to get used to it. Honestly, if you bought the shoe the same size as your street shoe, DON'T go bigger. They'll be sloppy and useless in no time.

I find it funny that he writes that he got them the same size as his street shoe, and everybody starts with the "two sizes smaller is BS" stuff.


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And the guy at REI was just trying to make a sale by telling you what you wanted to hear. It's a great sales tactic - they don't care whether the shoe really fits you or not, they care whether you buy it or not.


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JH - Way to actually read the original post. I was thinking exactly what you expressed until I came to your post

maurice

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My first pair of shoes were the same as my street shoes, maybe half size smaller, and they did finally stretch. Occassionally I would sit around the house in them to help my feet adjust but as for walking, you were smart and bought velcro. Pull them off as soon as you're done withthe climb. I have to unlace mine

maurice


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Comparing your street shoe size to a climbing shoe size is just a starting point for trying on shoes until you find something that fits. Tennis shoes, boots, sandals, dress shoes, etc. all run different sizes, some smaller, some bigger. In general you can say to buy your climbing shoes smaller, but what the guy likes wearing tight fitting dress shoes that are sized small, then maybe the climbing shoes should be the same size? The point is, a beginner does not want his toes curled up in the end of his shoe.


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I've found that my climbing shoes are a half-size smaller than my regular shoes.


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Having your toes crimped and your feet wrapped tightly is a new experience for your feet, and like your hands, back and the rest of your body that is new to climbing, your feet will require some break-in time.

When I started, I couldn't wear my shoes for 10 minutes before having to take them off due to cramping. Your feet will adjust. Buying the same size as your walking shoes was probably a fair size to start with.

As you learn to toe walk on texture and tiny ledges, you will realize the importance and benefit have having your toes slightly crimped. They will get used to it and after a while you will forget about your shoe dilemma and enjoy the challenge of climbing.


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burz is right that shoe sizes are really not comparable, and street shoe size is just a reference point. However, I'm glad that some others are starting to express the idea that they probably aren't too small. There's no need to turn this into a salesman-bashing thread, with ten people in a row claiming that you should climb in what's comfortable.

For reference: My first pair of shoes were 1.5 sizes smaller than my "street shoe," and they were Boreal Zens, which run small. They killed for a while, but my feet got used to them. Then I got Anasazis in the same size, and they fit the same way, but my feet were used to them so I loved them.

I bought a pair of Mythos a week ago, this time 2 sizes smaller, but the Mythos are a very different shoe. The 8.5 Mythos is much larger on me than the 9 Anasazi Velcro, which is the way I wanted it.

All in all, I'm glad my first pair of shoes were so small. It turns out that was the right size, so I got used to tight shoes quickly. I've got a couple huge bone spurs on my big toes, but I can edge like a madman.


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1 and 1/2 sizes smaller works for me.

But my feet are starting to look like knurled hobbit feet....the price you pay.

miker


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I've never tried the hot water treatment. What I do to accelerate the break-in process is to take the shoes to the garage, turn 'em upside down, and beat the crap out of the soles with the biggest hammer I can find. Tends to loosen things up a bit.


Disclaimer: I would never suggest anybody do anything like this to anything.

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My climbing shoes are the same size as my boots. Acually my mom bought my first set of shoes because she didn't want me falling off the rock since I was climbing with tennis shoes. As soon as I opened them, I put them on and climbed the door jam. It was a snap and I couldn't believe how well they stuck then I had to clean the rubber off the wall since I left a skid mark with the shoes, but they worked.
I still have them too.
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What I do to accelerate the break-in process is to take the shoes to the garage, turn 'em upside down, and beat the crap out of the soles with the biggest hammer I can find. Tends to loosen things up a bit.
Gene

Good suggestion, Gene. I think your technique would also work spendidly on ex-girlfriends who refuse to return phone calls.


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No need to call ex-girlfriends. Besides, it pisses off the wife no end.

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Dont worry man.. the secret is on toes callouses... (hope I spelled it right..)

They will grow pretty soon, just be sure to put some foot powder on your shoes.

For all of you who think he is using the wrong size check this out:

I live in Venezuela, here is not a matter of "sizes", is a matter of "availability", what they have... you buy... (if you want to keep climbing.)

I am a size 12 US and use a size 9 US. Painful? not anymore (after 3 months...) Actually they feel quite confy now.


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I haven't used the water trick for fitting shoes in some years. I did use it with the original (1983) Fires.

If you do employ this technique, use cool water--not hot. Cool water will work just as well and hot water will adversely affect the glue that holds the shoe together, which will result in premature delaminations of the sole and rand.

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Merrel makes climbing shoes? The closes I've seen are the Merrell Jungle Climbing Shoes which aren't actually climbing shoes but "street shoes inspired by rock climbing."

I can't find any climbing shoes at Merrell's website either. I'd be interested in seeing what they have to offer, since I'm a big fan of their mocs.

Can I ask what you paid for those shoes?


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Welcome to the site!
Sorry about your shoes but I simply have 2 things I'd suggest to you.
a) Rock climbing shoes aren't made to walk in. Granted they shouldn't kill your feet to walk a few feet (pun intended), but most of the time you have them on you should be going vert.
b) You may want to try cutting your toe nails. My first pair of shoes were TIGHT! I tried leaving them on when I was around the house (on the puter', watching 24... yea I'm addicted) and they always seemed to hurt my toes BAD. Anyway I cut my nails pretty short and the pain subsided. Granted this may not help you, but it made a world of difference for me.
Goodluck, have fun, and again welcome to the site!


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I've heard about the water trick; however what I heard was that you should get them wet but never completely submerge them, then wear them until the leather dries. As leather dries it shrinks, and hence the shoe is supposed to loosen when wet and then shrink to your foot.
I wore mine in the shower :lol:

I'm not giving this as advice, really I couldn't say if it worked or not unless I bought two pairs of the same shoe and wet one down and not the other. I only tried it one time, with my first pair, never felt the need again.

When I shoe shop I hardly even look at sizes, I get something just barely more than tight, and it loosens up to really nicely snug in about a month. My climbing shoes sizes range about 3 full sizes depending on who makes them, so you never know until you try them on.


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"Shoe Size" is rather a wide range, especially when you're dealing with European makers.

To Wit:

I bought a pair of Italian-made Scarpa Freney boots that were supposed to be 10.5 American (according to their chart) that fit perfectly for my 9.5 feet. I bought them on eBay from a 10.5 guy who found them too small. They fit so perfect, it's unbelievable.

But, my Lange ski boots, also made in Italy, are perfect for my feet, and they're 9.5.

So, the size listed is basically a guess, or a place to start from.

Climbing shoes need to be snug, not tight. And fit them at the end of the day after walking around, when your feet are longest.


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i got a great deal on anasazi's. pretty soon i outgrew them and simply put hot water in, and they now fit like a glove. You're shoes are probably not as painful as you think. Most new climbers will try on a slightly large shoe and remark how tight it is.

I like to have my shoes so tight that i can barely walk in them.


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i got a great deal on anasazi's. pretty soon i outgrew them and simply put hot water in, and they now fit like a glove. You're shoes are probably not as painful as you think. Most new climbers will try on a slightly large shoe and remark how tight it is.

I like to have my shoes so tight that i can barely walk in them.

That's it, I'm done sitting on the couch wearing my new shoes trying to break them in. They don't seem to be stretching much, and it feels like I have a freakin' elephant standing on my curled-in toes. I'm dipping them boys in hot water tonight, then I'll walk around the house in them. That'll show them who's boss. And if that doesn't loosen them up, I'm getting another pair and saving these for later--when I'm a better climber. If the pain from the shoes is so great that bearing it becomes the primary focus of the climb, I fail to see how it would be helping a beginner like me.


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Are the shoes unlined? If they are lined, they won't give much.


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I have to disagree with just about everybody. I got my first shoes i had heard the rumors about wearing shoes very tight and uncomfortable. The sales person talked me into a more comfy shoe. At first this was great they were very snug but if i went down another half size the were painful. She told me to et the smallest size that wasn't painful. After less then a month my feet got used tothe shoes an the shoes stretched and next thing you knowi needed to buy another pair. So i bought 2 pairs of shoes when i could have bought my first pair tight sucked it up for a few weeks and saved 150 dollars. And you dont need to be a super clibmer to benifit from the power you get from tight fitting shoes. Even if you are climbing 8s or 9s that overhang you can get much better footing with some tight and powerful shoes to pull down. My shoes now are tiiiiiiiight and thats the way the should be. If you have the cash sure spring for a mildly tight pair until you get used to it then buy new shoes but i would save the 150 bucks get tight shoes and suck it up

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one book i read suggests turning the shoe over and laying it on the ground. then hammering the midsole, this will cause it to break in much faster.


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Are the shoes unlined? If they are lined, they won't give much.

They are unlined, so hopefully they will stretch. I opted out of the hot water treatment at the last minute, choosing instead to watch the Jones-Ruiz fight :P I've decided I will give these guys a couple of more days on the rock. If they're still killing me, I'll do something about it.


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I never knew that Merrell made climbing shoes???!!!!!!!!
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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How are they and more importantly how much are they?


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what about taking them back? my first shoes were too big and the guys at climbaxe were happy to let me exchange for a smaller size. i barely used them once and they looked fine, before you boil look into this, if the next size up in this brand is too big than change brands.


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I never knew that Merrell made climbing shoes???!!!!!!!! How are they and more importantly how much are they?

You know what, after I bought the shoes I got on the web to find reviews for them, and I could not find a single reference to these shoes anywhere, including (disturbingly) on Merrell's website. They cost $140 (Canadian). Since these are my first shoes, I cannot really comment on how they are, other than they are really, really tight, even though I bought them the same size as my street shoes (44). Give me a few weeks and I'll let you know :)


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You can try putting the shoes on your feet, and soaking them in warm water (a little warmer than luke warm, but not much. And no soap!). This will stretch the shoes as much as they're going to stretch, though at the expense of a bit of the rubber sole. Otherwise, may I remind you that you climb for pleasure... and how can you be enjoying yourself when you are in pain? If the warm water doesn't work, cut your losses. Sell the shoes and get some that fit better.


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And the guy at REI was just trying to make a sale by telling you what you wanted to hear. It's a great sales tactic - they don't care whether the shoe really fits you or not, they care whether you buy it or not.

Actually, REI salespeople are paid hourly, and receive no commission. So I don't think they give a rip what you buy. The whole purpose of that pay structure is so they give you honest advice rather than a sales pitch.


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Climbing with shoes that are two sizes to small is fine if your into boulder probs or gym climbing but if you want to enjoy yourself on a multipitch route go for comfort first.


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Our house hold has nine pairs of rock shoes now and through my climbing life I have owned at least twenty pairs. If your shoes are lined not much stretching will occur. If your shoes are unlined you can accelerate the break in period by taking a handfull of warm water and rubbing it into the leather from the inside then lacing them up tight and climbing in them until the pain becomes too much to bare. Take a break from your shoes, then lace those bad boys up tight again. The next time you wear them they will be better. If they are still not where you want them repeat the procedure. Do not dunk your shoes in water. I have done this procedure several times and it works for me. Comfy shoes = easy for you routes and long days. Tight shoes for routes near your limit.


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Our house hold has nine pairs of rock shoes now and through my climbing life I have owned at least twenty pairs. If your shoes are lined not much stretching will occur. If your shoes are unlined you can accelerate the break in period by taking a handfull of warm water and rubbing it into the leather from the inside then lacing them up tight and climbing in them until the pain becomes too much to bare. Take a break from your shoes, then lace those bad boys up tight again. The next time you wear them they will be better. If they are still not where you want them repeat the procedure. Do not dunk your shoes in water. I have done this procedure several times and it works for me. Comfy shoes = easy for you routes and long days. Tight shoes for routes near your limit.


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i had a sorta exact opposite problem. everyone at the gym i go to was sayin stuff like "don't feel like you have to buy really small shoes for your first pair" and stuff. i ended up with a prett good fit for a beginner shoe anyway, La Sportive cliffs i think, somethin like that.


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i had a sorta exact opposite problem. everyone at the gym i go to was sayin stuff like "don't feel like you have to buy really small shoes for your first pair" and stuff. i ended up with a prett good fit for a beginner shoe anyway, La Sportive cliffs i think, somethin like that.

The people in your gym are smart; I wish the guy who sold me the shoe had the same kind of common sense. Even after dipping my shoes in hot water and wearing them around the house, I returned with bloody toes after climbing today. I'm going to have to get a new pair of shoes, and this time I'm going for comfort.


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Sid, I just bought my first pair of shoes as well. LaSportiva Cobras. I normally wear a 10.5, and these are a 42. I found that wearing them for short periods of time, like when i'm watching tv, or on the computer were great for the breaking in, but i took them off as soon as they began to hurt. Also, I would take them off as soon as I got off the wall. But, for about the first 4 or 5 times i climbed in them, my feet hurt like no other. They stretshed not in overall size, but to fit the shape of my feet, I'm sure that yours will do the same, good luck.


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My first pair of shoes where 1 size smaller than my street shoes. It was eally painfull!! What I did was wearing socks until my feet were calloused. Now I use the same 1 size smaller climbing shoes and no socks. Tight but not unconfy... BTW, I've read this before buying my 1st pair:

"Two important things about rock climbing shoes:
1) It's not about fashion. Climbing shoes are notoriously ugly. It seems to be an essential part of their design. Buy a pair of shoes because of how they look, and you will get laughed out of the climbing gym, so don't even try. The uglier, the better.

2) It's not about comfort. In order to best support your climbing, shoes should literally be like a second skin. Beginners' shoes let you breathe, experts' shoes make you bleed. It's not the shoe that differs, it's the fit. You should have zero room at the tip of your toe, and when you stand you should feel your toe pushing into the tip of the shoe (when you sit they should be a little easier to bear). Also don't wear socks when you're trying them on, remember these are your second skin so people typically don't wear socks with their climbing shoes. When you do go climbing, bring an extra pair of flip-flops or other shoes that are easy to slip on -- this is what you change into when you're belaying or otherwise goofing around. The shoes aren't intended to be comfortable enough to walk/lounge around in."


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Don't use very hot water or you might dissolve the glue that holds the various pieces of the rubber sole together, it happened to me :(


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I'm only posting to be a post whore :)

For the 1st 6-9 months I wore a 10 or 10.5 (depending if I wore socks, which I usually did), and 10.5 is my normal street shoe. After the 6 months or my feet got used to the shape and stuff and my footwork was improving pretty well and I wanted to use smaller footings.. So then came the 9.5's (also rental shoes).. The rentals are 5 10's; I just bought a pair of Mythos which are 8.5 and feel WAY nice.. VERY snug but perfectly formed for my foot, so although real thight they are not painful; except maybe when I'm using a little nub to stand on off my toe or somethnig.. I haven't tried crack climbing in this size with these shoes, but I'll find out soon :)


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dutchman, where did you read that the guy told him 'experts' wear two sizes smaller?

but the water thing does work. but it takes a few tries to get any significant stretching.

i wear a full size smaller than my street shoes. but it takes a while to stretch them out to the comfort zone...


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the shoes should be tight but not painful, get another size


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my shoes are tight on me, but i like it. its only bothered my once. on a two day climbing trip that i climbed for 20 hours. by the end of the second day, i could barely stand putting them on. but its worth it to have tight shoes. i normally go bouldering for a couple of hours at a time and it works well. like what was mentioned earlier, try cutting your toe nails. i own mad rock flashes size 10. street size is between 10-11, depending on the shoe.

do whatever works for you though


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Do you ski?

For years I was under the impression that ski boots needed to be tight. Like T-I-G-H-T tight, Lange pink panther tight, so damned tight that my feet were white when I took them out... up to the KNEE. I'd go hit gates, grit my teeth, you know the drill, and then on the bus I'd take my boots off and scream bloody murder on the inside, and only let Mister Stoic and his butler Calm come out to play.

Footwear does NOT need to be this tight. (For this and several other reasons I now ski on tele gear, but that's a different story...)

You have your rock boots. Suck it up for a while, they will stretch. If it was summer, and you were climbing outside, you might be sweating inside them.

But, unfortunately, you would not need to do this whole:
"Get them wet" then
"NO, not hot water" then
"ASK THE INTERNET!" then
"Watch the fight!"
Thing.

They might stretch. You may get used to it. But if neither meets with your approval, then split it down the middle, sell your shoes on Ebay (or use the "used gear" forum here on RC.com), and get some shoes that fit... better.

My personal advice, to a beginner: fit your shoes so your toes can't wiggle, at all. They should be packed together like nice, comfy sardines. However, your toes do not need to curl up in a frightening manner... with this in mind I'd suggest going for a nice, cheap pair of shoes, with a shape that doesn't force your toes to turn downward in an unnatural fashion. Unfortunately, the whole Anasazi line (except the Moccasym) tends to do this. Go for something simpler, beat them to hell over time, and when you're ready to buy new shoes you'll probably already know what you want.

Cheers!


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I didn't read every post but the first page didn't answer your leather treatment questions leather when wet if stretched will stretch but if wet and allowed to dry while not being stretched will shrink that is the character of leather. So if you want to stretch your shoe you would get it soaking wet and wear it untill it was dry. if you wanted to shrink it you would get it soaking wet and set it in your closet. I have never done either I just know that is how leather behaves. as for the leather getting stiff depends on how it was tanned.

as for shoe size. I bought my shoes snug and comfortable with nearly no pain at all I find that 5.11s are usually easier in someone else's smaller shoes. every one I have personally seen climb 5.13s had shoes so tight some of them even took them off before the belayer had let them down. but I agree that beginners should buy something snug yet comfortable. It will be a while before you really need to get painfully small shoes


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I doubt you'd want to do this, but it's tried and true:
Wait till the next rain/hail storm at Tahquitz and go climb. After one pitch, bail off, and hike all the way back to your car in your climbing shoes. By the time you are able to walk again, your shoes will be 1/2 to one full size larger. (A friend of mine did this, ah that sucked.)

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i didn't read every post. Sorry!

My advice is don't buy black climbing shoes!!!! :evil: :twisted:
They get so hot when the sun is out that your ties will actually get blisters. (hot climates).


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I doubt you'd want to do this, but it's tried and true:
Wait till the next rain/hail storm at Tahquitz and go climb. After one pitch, bail off, and hike all the way back to your car in your climbing shoes. By the time you are able to walk again, your shoes will be 1/2 to one full size larger. (A friend of mine did this, ah that sucked.)

:wink:

This advice is GRRRRREEEAAATTTTT..... :lol: :wink: either walk-off is probably good enough though :wink:


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WOW WAY TO DIG DEEP GUYS. If you didnt notice (and it is apparent that you didnt) this thread is two years old and needs to be laid back to rest. PLEASE LET THIS DIE AGAIN. I highly doubt that the origional poster is still needing this advice.


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Maybe not, but you just bumped it! :lol:


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"hot water treatment"

Tried that with an old pair of leather double boots once,
I was told to "wear them dry".
That took about 6 days.


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I have a friend that would smear his feet with vasoline, put on his shoes, and take long hot baths in them to break them in.

Don't ask...


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My first pair of climbing shoes, Boreal Lasers, were very small for my feet and like you said painfull. The first thing I did when I got home was put them on and soak them in HOT water. After that I wore them around watching tv or reading until they dried. I repeated this about two more times and those shoes fit like a glove. It is something I will do to all my new shoes.


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