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SoloJoe
Nov 25, 2006, 12:11 AM
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A few years ago I bashed my hand up pretty bad and couldn't climb for over a year. I rocketed to 216lbs. Went on the Atkins Diet and in 6mths dropped down to 172lbs. Buy the book, very motivating and it works. You'll feel better, sleep better and ultimately climb better.
Cheers,
SJ
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styleboy
Nov 25, 2006, 12:47 AM
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The only thing I have ever heard about whey and prostate cancer is that it actually HELPS PREVENT prostate cancer. I'm not sure where you heard that it can cause prostate cancer, but maybe you heard it wrong.
Google search results:
http://www.natural-hrt.com/artman/publish/article_141.shtml
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/wheypro.htm
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/65/72804.htm
And that link you posted isnt really about whey or prostate cancer..?
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styleboy
Nov 25, 2006, 1:01 AM
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Doing the atkins, or any low carb diet WILL definitely help you loose weight. Just make sure you get your healthy portions of fat while doing that diet. I used to do it once a year after my 'bulk' while weight lifting. Now I just cut back calories a little, and add in a little more aerobic excersize. Either way will work but Atkins is like the lazy mans method.
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johnr9q
Nov 25, 2006, 3:37 AM
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Styleboy: Sorry, I meant to say flaxseed powder in my post. A senior moment, I guess.
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johnr9q
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Jay: In your initial post you said: "Specifically note the total calories you consume and the total grams of protein in each meal" So, because I'm so thick headed, let me review what I should do: I should keep track of the total calories and keep them under 500 (or so) of the total calories I burn during the day. Also, keep track of the total calories from protein and this should be between 25 to 30% of the total calories. No other computations required. Also eat the correct kind of foods as mentioned in your initial post and throughout the thread. This will insure that I don't burn up the muscle required for climbing while losing weight. Also, the 500 calorie deficit can be adjusted higher, if I am not losing weight at the proper rate, or lower, if I am unusually tired. Added the following: Probably also should keep track of the fat calories to insure they stay in the 10 to 20% of total calories range.
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jt512
Nov 26, 2006, 4:57 PM
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johnr9q wrote: Thanks Jay for all your efforts. After reading this entire thread I have one concern: I eat a lot of soy. Soy milk, Soy powder, Edamame (Raw soy beans) Soy nuts, and soy made into burgers etc. Probably half of my protein is soy based. Are there nutritional concerns regarding this much soy. (10 years ago soy was presented as the perfect protein but more recently I hear more negative things about it)
There is conflicting evidence, especially in two areas: breast cancer and cognitive function. But, the alternative to soy is animal protein, and you don't have to look very hard to find evidence of detrimental effects of that (dairy and prostate cancer, eggs and heart disease, red meat and everything, fish and heavy metal contamination, etc.). So, all things considered, I don't think you have anything more to worry about (and probably less) than someone who eats less soy, and hence more animal protein.
Jay
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jt512
Nov 26, 2006, 5:08 PM
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johnr9q wrote: Jay: In your initial post you said: "Specifically note the total calories you consume and the total grams of protein in each meal" So, because I'm so thick headed, let me review what I should do: I should keep track of the total calories and keep them under 500 (or so) of the total calories I burn during the day. Also, keep track of the total calories from protein and this should be between 25 to 30% of the total calories. No other computations required. Also eat the correct kind of foods as mentioned in your initial post and throughout the thread. This will insure that I don't burn up the muscle required for climbing while losing weight. Also, the 500 calorie deficit can be adjusted higher, if I am not losing weight at the proper rate, or lower, if I am unusually tired. Added the following: Probably also should keep track of the fat calories to insure they stay in the 10 to 20% of total calories range.
Sounds like you've got it. Note that if you are maintaining a ~500 kcal/day caloric deficit, you will 1 to 1.5 lb/wk. If you are losing more or less than that amount of weight, then you have miscalculated either your caloric intake or your caloric expenditure.
Jay
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As an aside: I think getting motivated to get on this stuff deters many of us from heading down this road. The simplicity of JTs firsts post (eat less fat) struck me about 6-7 months ago.
So I quit eating ice cream and snacks (primarily chocolate) in the office. I substituted Clif bars.
Since that time I've dropped approx 31 lbs. My climbing is about the same, lead @ 5.9-5.10 trad depending on what the route is and how I feel. (1st lead at Smith this year was a 5.10c crack for instance and I was 31 lbs heavier then).
I've noticed it playing basketball, and I think my endurance is better, but thats anecdoatal, finished Epinepdrine last week and felt pretty good for having climbed 2000' or whatever that is for instance, I suspect that an extra 31 lbs would have made that climb terrifingly difficult after hauling the extra weight up 1500 feet or so. (if I didn't get stuck in the chimneys!)
I try to eat a little more protien when I'm working hard, and feel pretty damn good. Not weak at all. Probably can lose 20 more lbs too. Not that losing weight was on the radar screen, but it was a side effect of eating healthier.
Thanks Jay.
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mythicyeti
Dec 7, 2006, 7:23 PM
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I just finished reading most of this thread. Awesome discussion. I'm super motivated to increase my Gym visits this winter after reading it. Thanks!
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collegekid
Dec 8, 2006, 1:24 AM
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jt512 wrote: There is conflicting evidence, especially in two areas: breast cancer and cognitive function. But, the alternative to soy is animal protein, and you don't have to look very hard to find evidence of detrimental effects of that (dairy and prostate cancer, eggs and heart disease, red meat and everything, fish and heavy metal contamination, etc.). So, all things considered, I don't think you have anything more to worry about (and probably less) than someone who eats less soy, and hence more animal protein. Jay
I've tried to maintain a balance of different sources of protein--soy, dairy, eggs, fish, occasionally chicken, and most rarely red meat. I eat high-fiber cereal in the morning ("Trader Joes High Fiber O's") since it has high protein content, in addition to the high fiber, and have recently added a whey protein supplement to my diet.
Jay, do you have any advice on the "ideal" balance of protein sources?
Also, you mentioned a relation between eggs and heart disease--if one only eats the whites, would this solve the problem?
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jt512
Dec 8, 2006, 1:42 AM
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collegekid wrote: I've tried to maintain a balance of different sources of protein--soy, dairy, eggs, fish, occasionally chicken, and most rarely red meat. I eat high-fiber cereal in the morning ("Trader Joes High Fiber O's") since it has high protein content, in addition to the high fiber, and have recently added a whey protein supplement to my diet. Jay, do you have any advice on the "ideal" balance of protein sources?
I don't think it matters all th essential amino acids, and the typical mix of vegetable proteins one consumes ends up pretty close to the ideal. Protein quality is pretty much a non-issue in populations that consume sufficient protein quantity.
In reply to: Also, you mentioned a relation between eggs and heart disease--if one only eats the whites, would this solve the problem?
Yes. The cholesterol is in the yolk. However, so are a host of other valuable nutrients that aren't in the whites. Dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol in only about 1 person in 4. It's a good idea to find out if you are one of these "cholesterol sensitive" individuals. Eat a couple eggs a day for a couple weeks, and then have your cholesterol checked. If it is high, cut out the eggs for a couple weeks and have it re-checked. If it goes down substantially, don't eat egg yolks. On the other hand, if you find out that you are not "cholesterol sensitive" then egg yolks are a rich source of micronutrients.
Jay
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Thank you JT.
and bump.
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collegekid
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jt512 wrote: collegekid wrote: I've tried to maintain a balance of different sources of protein--soy, dairy, eggs, fish, occasionally chicken, and most rarely red meat. I eat high-fiber cereal in the morning ("Trader Joes High Fiber O's") since it has high protein content, in addition to the high fiber, and have recently added a whey protein supplement to my diet. Jay, do you have any advice on the "ideal" balance of protein sources? I don't think it matters all th essential amino acids, and the typical mix of vegetable proteins one consumes ends up pretty close to the ideal. Protein quality is pretty much a non-issue in populations that consume sufficient protein quantity. In reply to: Also, you mentioned a relation between eggs and heart disease--if one only eats the whites, would this solve the problem? Yes. The cholesterol is in the yolk. However, so are a host of other valuable nutrients that aren't in the whites. Dietary cholesterol raises blood cholesterol in only about 1 person in 4. It's a good idea to find out if you are one of these "cholesterol sensitive" individuals. Eat a couple eggs a day for a couple weeks, and then have your cholesterol checked. If it is high, cut out the eggs for a couple weeks and have it re-checked. If it goes down substantially, don't eat egg yolks. On the other hand, if you find out that you are not "cholesterol sensitive" then egg yolks are a rich source of micronutrients. Jay
A follow up--
I recently channel surfed passed a show where men with prostate cancer were being effectively treated with high vegetable diets (i.e. no red meat). I guess I know which protein sources to avoid...I sure as hell like my prostate cancer-free.
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The take home message on how to lose weight is that you have to burn more calories than you take in. Jay seems to be very educated gives good info on how to go about doing it.
From a Biochemical standpoint, all excess intake (i.e. protein, and carbohydrates) will be converted to fat if they are not used. That being said, as Jay has been explaining, it is very important that you effectively take in the correct proportions of different energy sources.
Not all protein will be used for muscle building as our bodies are not "perfectly efficient" so some will inevitably be converted and stored as fat. The same is true of carbohydrates.
Through the Carbon cycle, protein and carbs can be converted to fat, but fat can't be converted to either of the two (as our bodies don't have the enzymes to make it possible).
Long story short, the only REAL answer is to try and keep the proportions of these high energy compounds at a level that does not allow for excess to accumulate as they will become fat.
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johnr9q
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Jay: I have been trying for years to loose weight to improve my climbing performance. I am not overweight but know that when I do get down a few pounds my performance improves. However, I have a problem with self control. I am following the principles that you spell out for the most part and do well thru the day but in the evening I loose it and eat too much of the right thing (even sometimes the wrong thing if my wife leaves it hanging around). I stay around 170 but would like to get down to 150. It is now 5:30 pm and I haven't eaten anything all day except a banana and some orange juice. So I can control myself till now. My question: Would it be terribly poor from a nutrition point of view to not eat anything all day and then eat a nutritions meal in the evening? It has been very frustrating to yoyo up and down 10 lbs but never make my goal so maybe drastic measures like I just described would be in order. I think once I got to my goal I would be able to maintain but I never make it to my goal. If only an evening meal in the day is a bad idea can you suggest something lite that I could eat in the AM that would nutritionally carry me to the evening meal?
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What happened to JT's original post?
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boardline22 wrote: What happened to JT's original post?
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