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boltdude
Oct 15, 2003, 6:42 AM
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Wow, people talking about me...well at least a little profile thing...cool!
As those of you who know me probably figured out, I'm excessively harsh in my profile not because I'm a jerk (I hope), it's just to shock some folks into waking up and taking anything they read on the internet (not just this site) with a grain of salt.
And whoever that was that thinks I'm some bad-ass, I've managed a total of one 5.11a crack, two 5.11a sport, and one 5.11a loose crap Pinnacles thing on-sight in 9 years of climbing. Pulled off one V3 ever, lucky to get up a V1 at the Happys. Hell, I might pull off 4 pull ups (using all fingers and both arms) on a good day! I have friends who've outclimbed me in their first week of climbing. The only conceivable way I could outclimb 95% of today's climbers is in on-lead stance drilling granite with a hand drill, not exactly the rage these days.
Climbing is awesome, climbers are cool, no one climbing for 30 years should think they're better than someone who just started, especially since in a couple years, that "newbie" may free the old aid line that the experienced tradster declared unfreeable.
I'm just worried about people taking what they read here too much to heart. Climbing is dangerous, rock walls are unforgiving, learn it right from experienced folks, hire a guide and learn your s__t before one of those little "man I got lucky when I was starting out" things gets you. Life is dangerous, or else it wouldn't be fun - but don't take anything (or anyone) on the internet too seriously.
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ricardol
Oct 15, 2003, 7:05 AM
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eh -- .. i think you guys and gals are getting all worked up over nothing .. sure there are lots of posts with crap .. or invalid .. or wrong information..
..but there is also lots of good information .. and also this site has information that is not available anywhere else ... (find another site with as much valid information on roped soloing!) ..
.. the trick is discerning the good from the bad .. and that is YOUR responsibility (the reader) .. if you're not smart enough to do that .. then i pity you ...
.. also i've yet hear a report of someone being killed because they used some info they got from this website .. so that means that most readers must be smart enogh to figure out when someone is fulll of crap ..
.. i've taken alot of info from this site and applied it at the crag .. but never did i do that blindly .. i always made sure that i understood the systems before using them .. why can't we assume that everyone elsre is at least that dedicated when it comes to acitivies that could kill them..
.. i'd rather see more information be spread around (even if it means wading through more crap) than less information, just because someone doesn't think the average guy is smart enough to know what is safe and what is not ..
..survival of the fittest .. (and i mean that in a joking manner -- lets be real .. climbing is not rocket science -- you just need some common sense)
-- ricardo
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sixter
Oct 15, 2003, 7:49 AM
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Safety is probably one of my main concerns with climbing. Probably one of the reasons I have several books on climbing including the great work Moutaineering the Freedom of the Hills 7th edition. I don't trust anyone's opinion as gospel. I need to do the research on my own to see what I should do in a situation. I have contributed to threads, but haven't started any of my own. Why? I get off my lazy arse and do some research, and so far there hasn't been a vital question that I haven't answered to complete satisfaction through this method. I find several qualified sources of information, filter the crap, and keep the rest. What we really need for this site isn't the profanity filter but a crap filter. :roll: I try to keep myself to subjects I know and have experiance with. I do find a lot of stuff good for entertainment value only. I plan on having a long climbing career, and safety is a big part of that. Don't expect to see me freesoloing the Nose any time soon. :lol: I could have a higher post count than I do, but I include one vital step into the process of posting. I sit back, read my post, then decide, do I really want this information to be tied to me forever? I have hit the "back" button more than a few times because I was neither contributing anything of substance, or was just adding to the cacophony of voices on a dead subject, like is the gri-gri safe. How many threads do we really need on that subject?
*sigh*
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mrme
Oct 15, 2003, 9:37 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Oh, I know it is a troll, but the point is there. Look up user: "Bolt Dude." Kristin, I know you've been around(and I don't mean it that way) and probably know who Bolt Dude is. Maybe you haven't climbed with him, but I think you know his connections. All I'm saying is that he is right in his concerns regarding this site. I mean look for yourself at the various topics posted. 75% are lame. some of you think I'm trolling, but I'm not. some of you wouldn't climb with me. that's fine, I have climbing partners, and to be honest would hesitate to climb with the majority of the people here. BTW, Boltdude can outclimb 95% of us. :shock:
i agree with most but since when does one whom can climb better have anything to do with tech. skills makes me almost scared to agree with anything quoted here.
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gat
Oct 15, 2003, 12:31 PM
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In reply to: And what *I* am saying is that he is, to a degree, right in his concerns. And you're right 75% ARE lame. But, trust me, 75% of conversations around a Camp 4 campfire are lame.
I agree, and I actually wasn't going to respond to this post at all (don't want to rack up too many posts for fear of being labeled a noob/poser), but I just couldn't help myself. You see I am at work, and this beats working, so here goes...
Sure, there is A LOT of bad info thrown around on this site. Go to your local crag or climbing gym - how much quality info is handed out there? Lets face it, we are all bombarded w/ BS on a daily basis. And, the BS isn't limited to the climbing advice we may be given. Your brain is a filter, use it.
Lame conversations - you bet...Heck, I am sure that an outsider would consider more than 75% of the conversations I engage in (on this site or in person) lame. If you don't think the same about yourself, maybe it's time for a reality check. What is the definition of a conversation that is not lame? Come on, we don't visit this sight to solve the world's problems. For most of us this is simply a distraction from our day. For whatever reason we can't be climbing right now, so why not engage in some "lame" conversation w/ other climbers?
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flagstaff_climber
Oct 15, 2003, 2:20 PM
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If not for this site I would have never become the climber I am today. And I would have never learned that neat trick about how to mark the midpoint of a rope with a bic lighter :)
Rick
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In reply to: If not for this site I would have never become the climber I am today. And I would have never learned that neat trick about how to mark the midpoint of a rope with a bic lighter :) Rick
You should thank the priest draw instead of some one trick pony internet website.
You probably love climbing at the pit.
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thinksinpictures
Oct 15, 2003, 2:29 PM
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I would actually like to voice my surprise and pleasure at seeing was I thought was originally a pretty inflammatory post turn into a relatively considerate and well-spoken discussion. I know that the site has it's drawbacks and it's benefits, most of which have been discussed, but I also find that a lot of things that could (and should) be talked about and considered openly and politely turn into flame wars. What shocks me just as much as some of the bad advice I've seen on the site is how truly mean/rude/thoughtless some posters are compared to how friendly and helpful most climbers are out at the crags.
I'd also like to back up those who've said that work is where most of my posts are racked up. Frankly, I have better things to do than hang out at rc.com when I'm not trapped in front of a computer. Usually :wink:
I guess that this is got a bit off topic, but as what most people would consider a relative n00b this was the most constructive thing I can add, along with saying that I try to only offer advice when I'm pretty darn sure I know what I'm talking about, and even then to invite people with more knowledge/experience to add to or correct what I've said. In addition, before taking advice from the site I try to cross check it with such good books as Freedom of the Hills, or better yet, other climbers who I know to be reliable sources of info.
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bertman
Oct 15, 2003, 2:42 PM
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Well, let's apply this post to the BATE method of the T-scale. (http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p?t=42029&highlight=)
(posts of troll/|(posts of troll-10)|)*(bites/(total posts of all biters+1))*(bites*(1/|(posts of troll/(posts of troll-10)|)))*(1/(times it has been tried before+1))
(63/|(63-10)|)*(3/((1424+50+306)+1))*(3*(1/|(63/(63-10)|)))*(1/(1+1))
or:
1.2619047619047619047619047619045
Giving this troll a T1 rating. That is assuming that this has only been tried once before, though im sure it has been tried more. I just couldnt count. If it was in fact original, it would send at:
2.5238095238095238095238095238095 or T3
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pdoidy
Oct 15, 2003, 2:55 PM
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I am always suspicious of someone who wants to tell me why the rest of the world is stupid.
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flagstaff_climber
Oct 15, 2003, 3:06 PM
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In reply to: "] In reply to: If not for this site I would have never become the climber I am today. And I would have never learned that neat trick about how to mark the midpoint of a rope with a bic lighter :) Rick You should thank the priest draw instead of some one trick pony internet website. You probably love climbing at the pit.
I have been to the draw once and thought it was pretty lame, have not been to the pit in almost 3 months. Now the Forks, mmmmmmm The Forks :)
Rick
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maculated
Oct 15, 2003, 3:48 PM
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In reply to: I have been to the draw once and thought it was pretty lame, have not been to the pit in almost 3 months. Now the Forks, mmmmmmm The Forks :)
Yeah, that was pretty cool. I'll go back someday.
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bishopclimber
Oct 15, 2003, 4:11 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: because you've got a bunch of noobs/wannabees telling other noobs/wannabees how to climb and set anchors; and what's up with the people with hundreds of posts? are they posers or do they really climb? Well, why not enlighten us all with the correct answers, then? |
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mreardon
Oct 15, 2003, 4:45 PM
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I don't climb, I merely post :D
Yes there are plenty of misguided "experts" but a few readings and it's easy to tell who they are. Just as some people don't like to comment on soloing, others like to spray ad nauseum about how to set up a safe belay with 87 points of protection and 12 pieces of webbing. It's finding the place in the middle. Most people here that ask for advice recognize that.
Advice is merely that. Experience is truth. Remember that and take the rest with a grain of salt. In the end, if you choose to hang and chat in the forums here, it's not a bad thing, it just means you can't get outside as often as you want or should, but continuing to develop friendships or maintaining the art of conversation is never a bad thing.
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overlord
Oct 15, 2003, 4:51 PM
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In reply to: Well, let's apply this post to the BATE method of the T-scale. ( http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p?t=42029&highlight=) (posts of troll/|(posts of troll-10)|)*(bites/(total posts of all biters+1))*(bites*(1/|(posts of troll/(posts of troll-10)|)))*(1/(times it has been tried before+1)) (63/|(63-10)|)*(3/((1424+50+306)+1))*(3*(1/|(63/(63-10)|)))*(1/(1+1)) or: 1.2619047619047619047619047619045 Giving this troll a T1 rating. That is assuming that this has only been tried once before, though im sure it has been tried more. I just couldnt count. If it was in fact original, it would send at: 2.5238095238095238095238095238095 or T3
man, your BATE formula is WRONG!!!!
if this isnt T14 i dont know what is.
congrats, man.
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rrrADAM
Oct 15, 2003, 4:55 PM
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This is a TROLL in the true sense of the word, as it's trying to solicite an angry response.
Moving to Community.
A trip through the photo gallery shows that many users climb pretty regularly, and all tyoes, and at all grades.
A look at bishopclimber's profile shows no photos, no ascents, in fact not even a name... But I'm [sure you're not just another Internet Superhero, and can actually outclimb any of us in oven mitts and shower shoes, right ??? :roll:
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rrrADAM
Oct 15, 2003, 4:56 PM
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rrradam moved this thread from General to Community.
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neeshman
Oct 15, 2003, 5:11 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: because you've got a bunch of noobs/wannabees telling other noobs/wannabees how to climb and set anchors; and what's up with the people with hundreds of posts? are they posers or do they really climb? Well, why not enlighten us all with the correct answers, then? Hllary, you want the truth? fact of the matter is I don't think you can handle the truth.
Your the biggest idiot ever Bishopclimber (JK, no offense, I 'm glad you were joking :? )
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tim
Oct 15, 2003, 8:34 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: because you've got a bunch of noobs/wannabees telling other noobs/wannabees how to climb and set anchors; and what's up with the people with hundreds of posts? are they posers or do they really climb? Well, why not enlighten us all with the correct answers, then?
umm, boltdude is Greg Barnes.
The guy knows a thing or two about bad technique. Otherwise he wouldn't be out there replacing crappy bolts placed by people who thought they knew what they were doing.
WTF is this thread doing in Community? This should be on the front page. Preferably at all times. People really should know that they can die if they don't apply good judgement.
And they can die if they do apply good judgement, too. It's just less likely and less frequent.
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maculated
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In reply to: WTF is this thread doing in Community? This should be on the front page. Preferably at all times. People really should know that they can die if they don't apply good judgement.
I happen to agree with this.
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climbsomething
Oct 15, 2003, 9:00 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: because you've got a bunch of noobs/wannabees telling other noobs/wannabees how to climb and set anchors; and what's up with the people with hundreds of posts? are they posers or do they really climb? Well, why not enlighten us all with the correct answers, then? Hllary, you want the truth? fact of the matter is I don't think you can handle the truth.
You used my name above. I'd love to use yours, but you're too much of a puss to put it in your profile.
What did I ever do to you? What, are you some buddy of enigma's?
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number of posts does not have anything to do with climbing ability. It just means i and others have to be online at work and we're bored.
i spray, philosophize, talk about the war between the sexes, whine about my fears about rapping off overhangs ... whatever, it's all good. don't read me if you think i'm an idiot, but don't write me off as a troll just because I am literate.
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In reply to: In reply to: because you've got a bunch of noobs/wannabees telling other noobs/wannabees how to climb and set anchors; and what's up with the people with hundreds of posts? are they posers or do they really climb? a grade A example of a climber that I never want to meet at any cliff, crag or boulderfield. do I sense elitism....yes do I sense unfriendliness...yup do I sense an attitude that would ruin the good feelings during any climbing session...most definitely
Wonderful reaction. I concur completely.
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In reply to: because you've got a bunch of noobs/wannabees telling other noobs/wannabees how to climb and set anchors; and what's up with the people with hundreds of posts? are they posers or do they really climb?
That's why you should never...I repeat NEVER...step outside of Community.
Quick fact: You've been a member for one month...and have visited this site 2288 times. :shock: :shock: :shock:
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