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OK, you all know which one I am talking about! http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=18873 Anyway, the comments on the photo itself were getting long, so I thought it might be cool to start a thread. This is an image the likes of which hasn't yet been seen on rc.com, and I think it deserves discussion. I suspected some people might not really care for it- that's how it always is with art, eh? And would react poorly to seeing it on the FP in heavy rotation. I personally think it's fabulous, and I don't think cryder's use of one of my pics as the base image is an influencing factor either ;) It really is neat. Though I might have been more entertained by a climber-as-Homer-Simpson shot though, cos knowing Kole (my model) as well as I do, that character would be a PERFECT fit :P heheh For people with graphic design and/or photoshop knowledge, is this as great of a creation as the majority of us seem to think it is? Photographers, artists? Whaddya think? And people who aren't professionals or artists, just People Who Like Cool Pics, why do you like it so much? Discuss :)
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scottcody
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I think it is awesome...
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bergo
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As a graphic designer/photoshoper/3D animator/JRR Tolkien fan/climber I have to say that the pic is awesome. Very nice job my preciousssssssssssssssss!
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tucsonalex
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I think the Gullum pic is great. I know nothing about photoshop, but I'm sure it took some skill to get the image of Gollum to fit so perfectly. I'll also admit that when I saw the movie I thought to myself that Gollum would be a great climber. Props to cryder for creating something original. The original image kicked butt too.
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iamthewallress
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This is the only pic from rc.com that I have ever printed out, and I didn't even see the movie. It's hysterical! I don't know much about the technical ins and outs, but it's as realistic as a picture of a fictitious critter climbing could be.
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melekzek
Oct 17, 2003, 12:14 AM
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i think cryder here made a great job, excellent work. Not everybody can/would do this kind of clean work with photoshop.
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Love it... suprised me at first
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fredo
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Laughed my cake hole off!! printed it out and hung it up in the lab for the other climbers to see :lol:
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crackaddict
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Very cool! My whole family loves it!
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In reply to: In reply to: As a graphic designer/photoshoper/3D animator/JRR Tolkien fan/climber I have to say that the pic is awesome. Very nice job my preciousssssssssssssssss! I second that! :D How about a thumbs up from a 3rd pixel pusher (and a 4th). I especially like that I couldn't tell on the arm which image was being used. Clipping an image is a simple task if you are careful, but it's quite another to make a human arm into a believable Gollum arm. My wife, who is the Queen of Photoshop, gave the photo her royal blessing after I showed her climbsomething's original image and cyder's composite side by side. I would have credited the two original images involved in the composite as a professional courtesy though. It's not that there's any ground to sue (it's just fan art and nothing is for profit), but it's just playing nice and giving credit where it is due.
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dynoguy
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I say Gollum could on-site "realization" no problem :lol: ! Watch out Sharma :lol: !
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bertman
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as a photoshopper i am still baffled when i look at that arm... Its so human, yet so... gollum... I couldnt begin to make that look as real as he did.
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I got compared to gollum by my buddies allready. You guys ain't helpin'
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In reply to: I think it is awesome... I agree...don't know how it was done but i love it!!!
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curt
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I guess I'm in the minority here, as I really don't care for that picture. Or, at least, I don't think it should be on the front page. I do think the original of kole is great, though. Curt
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i'm with curt. i don't think i am flattering myself by guessing that my comments were influential in starting this thread :wink: :wink: is it a great pic? yes. does it show mastery of photoshop? yes. is it worthy of recognition? yes. does it belong side by side with the true works of art of Jorg and Orangeoverhang and others? not in my opinion.
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naitch
Oct 17, 2003, 2:29 AM
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"is it a great pic? yes. does it show mastery of photoshop? yes. is it worthy of recognition? yes. does it belong side by side with the true works of art of Jorg and Orangeoverhang and others?" YES! imho
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abkaiser
Oct 17, 2003, 2:53 AM
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...And purely for comparison purposes, can someone post a url of the original unedited picture? Andy
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curt
Oct 17, 2003, 3:02 AM
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Here you go: http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=18131 Curt
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karlbaba
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That's outstanding work and, in my opinion, takes as much skill and artistry as much of the finer photography on the site. Ansel Adams said the hardest and longest work was in the darkroom, not the field Not only is the creature technically excellent, but it took vision to choose the character in the first place. He really does look like a dirtbag climber! I'm totally impressed. I'd love to hear about the whole process. Peace karl
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This pic is so cool, its just great. The photoshop work is amazing, mad props to ya for that. Itd be cool to see some more of these types of photos floating around, i think they're very cool, if done right. And this one was done just perfect :wink:
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curt
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Yes. Fiction is always beter than reality. So, I suppose your favorite TV shows would be cartoons then? Fair enough, I guess the lowest common denominator will prevail. Curt
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In reply to: Yes. Fiction is always beter than reality. So, I suppose your favorite TV shows would be cartoons then? Fair enough, I guess the lowest common denominator will prevail. Curt Man, relax there's no need to get snippy
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In reply to: In reply to: Yes. Fiction is always beter than reality. So, I suppose your favorite TV shows would be cartoons then? Fair enough, I guess the lowest common denominator will prevail. Curt Man, relax there's no need to get snippy I'm not getting snippy. I am only explaining why I think the original pic is superior to the altered photo in question. Curt
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karlbaba
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The Mona Lisa would be less real than a photo of the woman who was painted, but it would still be art. New expressions of art always are slow to be accepted. There are traditonalists in Art just like in Climbing. Even the rendition of Gollum that was used is a kind of art. There's a lot of creativity that goes into movies and even cartoons. I have friends working at Pixar, Disney and similar places. The medium doesn't define the creative spirit. If I'm in the right location at the right time, it doesn't mean I'm a great photographer. Peace karl
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That's an awesome pic, it's on my desktop now! Great job editing that, it looks so real!
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In reply to: The Mona Lisa would be less real than a photo of the woman who was painted, but it would still be art. New expressions of art always are slow to be accepted. There are traditonalists in Art just like in Climbing. Even the rendition of Gollum that was used is a kind of art. There's a lot of creativity that goes into movies and even cartoons. I have friends working at Pixar, Disney and similar places. The medium doesn't define the creative spirit. If I'm in the right location at the right time, it doesn't mean I'm a great photographer. Peace karl
In reply to: The Mona Lisa would be less real than a photo of the woman who was painted, but it would still be art. And it is still considered to be a masterpiece of art. Of course, that may be, in part because a photo of the same woman was not possible in DaVinci's time. Curt
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In reply to: Yes. Fiction is always beter than reality. So, I suppose your favorite TV shows would be cartoons then? Fair enough, I guess the lowest common denominator will prevail. Curt I thought truth was always stranger than fiction. Dave
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Homer Simpson next! Please....
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In reply to: For people with graphic design and/or photoshop knowledge, is this as great of a creation as the majority of us seem to think it is? Photographers, artists? Whaddya think? And people who aren't professionals or artists, just People Who Like Cool Pics, why do you like it so much? Discuss :) Quite honestly I think it shouldn't be on the front page: 1) Its a great piece of photoshopping 2) I hate the term "I'll just photoshop it" so take that for what it's worth. Is it neat? Yeah. Is it amazing? Not really. It's just another digital image to fall into the depths of nowheredom. The neat thing about computers is they'll opened areas like graphic design, film making and special effects to everyone but in a sense that stuff has also lost some of the splendor that it had in the old days. Now stuff like that photo are almost expected. I might be in the minority but I'm well past the stage of being awed by digital manipulations.
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In reply to: That's outstanding work and, in my opinion, takes as much skill and artistry as much of the finer photography on the site. Ansel Adams said the hardest and longest work was in the darkroom, not the field Not only is the creature technically excellent, but it took vision to choose the character in the first place. He really does look like a dirtbag climber! I'm totally impressed. I'd love to hear about the whole process. Peace karl Ansel Adams shot black and white and anyone who knows a thing about B&W knows that the photo can be greatly influenced by the developement and more importantly printing. This fact has been lost on the C-41 and digital age photographers. With that in mind it should be noted Ansels photos were both an interpertation and a documentation. But his photos were not manipulated beyond the development/printing process. What we have here is a battle between the purist and the new age photographers/artist. I've always been a purist when it comes to most things and photography is no exception. filters, cropping and in camera multiple exposures are the only things I find acceptable in photography. And those that feel the same way will not like the photograph while those that frequently utter the term "I'll just photoshop it" will more than likely be impressed.
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Hey I love cartoons. Cartoons are part of the world of fantasy. That, is extremely important.
In reply to: In reply to: Yes. Fiction is always beter than reality. So, I suppose your favorite TV shows would be cartoons then? Fair enough, I guess the lowest common denominator will prevail. Curt Man, relax there's no need to get snippy
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karlbaba
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In reply to: That's outstanding work and, in my opinion, takes as much skill and artistry as much of the finer photography on the site. Ansel Adams said the hardest and longest work was in the darkroom, not the field Not only is the creature technically excellent, but it took vision to choose the character in the first place. He really does look like a dirtbag climber! I'm totally impressed. I'd love to hear about the whole process. Peace karl
In reply to: Ansel Adams shot black and white and anyone who knows a thing about B&W knows that the photo can be greatly influenced by the developement and more importantly printing. This fact has been lost on the C-41 and digital age photographers. With that in mind it should be noted Ansels photos were both an interpertation and a documentation. But his photos were not manipulated beyond the development/printing process. What we have here is a battle between the purist and the new age photographers/artist. I've always been a purist when it comes to most things and photography is no exception. filters, cropping and in camera multiple exposures are the only things I find acceptable in photography. And those that feel the same way will not like the photograph while those that frequently utter the term "I'll just photoshop it" will more than likely be impressed. I don't get how in-camera multiple exposures, filters and whatnot are so much more acceptable than the usual photoshop procedures. Ansel Adams went further than your acceptable means by dodging and burning specific areas of the paper while printing. Black and white doesn't look any more like reality than other artistic interpretations. It's all relative. Photography has often been denied "Art" status by art purists. What does it all boil down to..EGO! We want to reserve credibility for what we do and feel threatened by change. Now this Gollum picture is obviously not being portrayed as evidence of wierd creatures who can climb cracks. It's it's own thing. Take it as a spice of life, not something that is going to take over the world of climbing photography. We worry that Photoshop is going to make us lose touch with reality but it's all in our intent. Reality has never been what we're looking at. They had edited Lenin out of pictures with Stalin long before photoshop. All around us are spectrums of light and energy that we can't see with our eyes. We are living in the illusion that the testimony of our senses is accurate when an objective study would prove it severely limited. There is no way to be sure that red looks the same to me as it does to you. We can't even imagine what a color that we have never seen could look like. But, unless I'm going for an artistic effect, I usually digitally edit my photos to look more like what I saw in reality than the camera actually captured. Peace Karl
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:shock: wow... I think people are getting a little to worked up... time to go to bed kiddies. How many times do we see suggestions for color correction, focus adjustments and what not, in the comment section of photos. Personally, I'm getting a little tired of Jörg's sport climbing pics, yeah they are nice, composed well, and bla bla. I would like to see more creative pics and images. And the fact that the photo still has a rating of 9.7 shows that other people are feeling similarly. So get a grip curt
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In reply to: In reply to: For people with graphic design and/or photoshop knowledge, is this as great of a creation as the majority of us seem to think it is? Photographers, artists? Whaddya think? And people who aren't professionals or artists, just People Who Like Cool Pics, why do you like it so much? Discuss :) Quite honestly I think it shouldn't be on the front page: 1) Its a great piece of photoshopping 2) I hate the term "I'll just photoshop it" so take that for what it's worth. Is it neat? Yeah. Is it amazing? Not really. It's just another digital image to fall into the depths of nowheredom. The neat thing about computers is they'll opened areas like graphic design, film making and special effects to everyone but in a sense that stuff has also lost some of the splendor that it had in the old days. Now stuff like that photo are almost expected. I might be in the minority but I'm well past the stage of being awed by digital manipulations. The image was made in fun. People responded to image and had a good laugh. People voted. Enough high votes will get your picture on the front page. It's a situation like this that let's me know how uptight some people can be. :wink:
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any one know the url for the original gollum image... im interested to see it.....
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Yeah, It would be cool to see both original images. Very nicely done. Photoshop makes this possible, but it still isnt "easy". oh yeah.......Good Morning Never Never Land!!!!!
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my .02 its neat, good work, couldnt choose it over a real photo thoug
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In reply to: OK, you all know which one I am talking about! http://www.rockclimbing.com/photos.php?Action=Show&PhotoID=18873 I personally think it's fabulous, and I don't think cryder's use of one of my pics as the base image is an influencing factor either ;) Discuss :) Wait a minute.... this is a photoshop... i thought this was onw of those deleted scenes where gollum was running from himself!!!
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I can't believe everyone is getting so worked up about this. It was just a funny picture is all :P .
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Personally i think it is a great PS job, but it is on the front page waaaay to much.
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I'm wondering it this Gollum pic is going to start a trend. If so, could you please place my head on Lynn Hill's body? The reaction that I got from my sons, especially the youngest when I showed them the picture, was precious. My 4 year old was convinced it was real. It made him cry though because I told him that he couldn't climb w/gollum because it was fake. I wish I could find a gollum costume so I can dress up and appease the poor kid. I like this picture for the obvious reasons. It's STRIKING! But I'm also a Lord of the Rings fan and have been ever since I was a kid. My Dad used to always say to me, "Precious. . .you're my precious." Funny how when I was a kid, I always thought Gollum was a dragon. Anyway, great pic.
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I think that it is an awsome pic, and having seen the movie makes it that much cooler.
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I think that it is an awsome pic, and having seen the movie makes it that much cooler.
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Hi everyone. I am the guilty party to the Gollum pic. The original intent of the Gollum composit was meant to have a concept that I felt would resonate well with the climbing community. I am quite suprised by the reaction to it, and feel it is a healthy one (an old one tho - design as art?). As climbers, we tend to use a climbing lense as we interpret life. We look at ordinary objects and wonder what they would be like to climb. We relate to people think like we do. We look at mountains that kill, and want to roll the dice. This is quite unique to the climbing community. In this case, we look at Gollum, who is in an entirely different context then climbing, and re-interpret him into our own paradigm. Its fun, and in some ways we see ourselves as he is. Credit is due to Tolkien for writing gollum so masterfully as to make depravity that understandable. We live in an age where reality is challenged everyday. What we hold true and sacred is flaunted in our faces. In my industry, advertising, this kind of execution is common, and in some cases a nuiscance. We generally tolerate it though, as long as the idea comes first. Is it Art? Maybe. Maybe not. Is it a fun idea that was never meant to be taken this seriously? Absolutely.
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I think art is nothing more than human expression and interpretation. I don't think the tools or technique matter one bit, it's all about the idea and how we react to the artist's creation. Perhaps photography traditionalists are into the purity of the process as much as the end result. I don't know. I know that I see a lot of art in museums that mixes photography with other media, such as printing on fabrics, wood, metal, or other materials, or combining images with paint, and yes, digital manipulation. Yes, this work is whimsical, but a lot of art is whimsical.
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It shocked me when I first saw it! It looked real and I had to look at real closely. good job!
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I don't see how this picture being good precludes the original picture being good. I think that because the original photo was so solid, this photo is amazing. Placing Gollum's body on just any photo of someone climbing wouldn't have been nearly as interesting. So kudos to the original photographer, original climber, and photoshopper as well. There's room for lots of types of 'art' in the great big world. Kim
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In reply to: :shock: wow... I think people are getting a little to worked up... time to go to bed kiddies. How many times do we see suggestions for color correction, focus adjustments and what not, in the comment section of photos. Personally, I'm getting a little tired of Jörg's sport climbing pics, yeah they are nice, composed well, and bla bla. I would like to see more creative pics and images. And the fact that the photo still has a rating of 9.7 shows that other people are feeling similarly. So get a grip curt Thanks for the tip. In the future, if I ever need assholish advice again, I will be sure to ask you. Curt
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karbala wrote:In reply to: We are living in the illusion that the testimony of our senses is accurate when an objective study would prove it severely limited. There is no way to be sure that red looks the same to me as it does to you. Actually, every day you look at both red and green light and think that it is white light. the light fixtures in your house (bulbs) are a yellow/red cast that our brains reinterpret to white because it is what we expect. Ditto for most fluurescents. It is called Kelvin color temp. Skip the disertation here. As to the pic. I like it. I also love black and white photography. The Gollum pick is fantasy. It works well. I would guess that since Curt doesn't like this photo he would not and has not seen Star Wars/ Trek, et al. Cryder, this being America, land of opportunity and all, perhaps you should contact the copyright holders and get permission to market the shot - Ya know, T shirts, chalk bags, coffee mugs, cards. Can't wait to see it at Nomad Ventures in J Tree. :wink: 8)
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curt
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In reply to: The Gollum pick is fantasy. It works well. I would guess that since Curt doesn't like this photo he would not and has not seen Star Wars/ Trek, et al. Well, then you guess wrong. To clarify, I don't really hate the Gollum picture or anything and I never said it wasn't creative or anything of the sort. However: 1) I like the original unaltered photo better. 2) I don't like seeing the altered version on the RC.com front page. That's about it. Curt
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cryder
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I would market the Gollum image... but I think his commercial appeal would be short lived. The fact that they made the movies and secured the rights for those was a miracle. They had to wrangle over the issues of execution, and you guessed it, Gollum was the centerpiece. This being america though, I would like to see some coasters. And cereal.... "Tasty trixy Gollum heads! Eat them up we do! Nice master loves us!!!!" Heh heh.
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hishopper
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I printed it as well, before some corporate scum threatens a copyright infringement suit. Printed it on photo paper no less, and will soon be attached to my '98 tacoma approach vehicle.
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Oct 17, 2003, 6:26 PM
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fantastic picture !!!! Thanks!!! :D
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junnos
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How could people debate a cool pic like this? What, they have nothing better to do? Come on guys give me a break. Fact is, it's a cool pic.....cool as hell! 8) Does it bleong next to Jorg's stuff? Hell yeah. Hey, anyone can buy really good film, rap down over a sport route and take pics.........
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shnobe
Oct 17, 2003, 6:56 PM
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very funny stuff I laughed, I cried. not to mention very creative
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onelung
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Not a fan of the photo, but I am not very worked up about it. I am even more bummed at the roatation that it is getting or any photo that gets stuck in my face every other time I return to the main page. We have thousands of pics here, can we expand the rotation so as to get a bit more variety? I do think that guy should stop by the spa for a shower, shave, and maybe something for the complexion. that is my humble and not so worked up opinion, bill
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In reply to: Cryder, this being America, land of opportunity and all, perhaps you should contact the copyright holders and get permission to market the shot - Ya know, T shirts, chalk bags, coffee mugs, cards. Can't wait to see it at Nomad Ventures in J Tree. :wink: 8) Hahaha... no. Not with MY image ;)
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climbsomething
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In reply to: Hey, anyone can buy really good film, rap down over a sport route and take pics......... Not true. Skilled photographers are about as rare as photoshop wizards. If ANYbody could take a good climbing action shot, we'd see those instead of the TR ass shots. Unless everybody's just holding out on us :shock:
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crag
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HEY! :shock: You got something against asses?
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In reply to: How could people debate a cool pic like this? What, they have nothing better to do? Come on guys give me a break. Fact is, it's a cool pic.....cool as hell! 8) Does it bleong next to Jorg's stuff? Hell yeah. Hey, anyone can buy really good film, rap down over a sport route and take pics......... Thats the biggest troll statement I've ever heard on this board. I guess if that was true than all we'd have on the site was really good shots. I'd say even on the front page only 10% of the photos are exceptional. Whether or not photography is art is debatable but when you have questions about that take a look at Galen Rowells or Ansel Adams work and tell me it's not art. Photography IMO is probably the hardest art to master and definitely the most under rated because everyone is an aspiring photographer. You have to work with an ever changing medium. Even with all the advanced gadgetry we have today most photos are at best poorly composed snapshots. Why is this? Because to be good you need to be an artist. If some of the photos people thought were good were paintings they'd probably be kindergarden finger paintings.
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anothertucsonclimber
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Scared the piss out of me at first - wasn' texpecting to see THAT over my morning coffee!!!!! Nice job......from one artist to another! Dale
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cryder
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Art is Man added to Nature. - Francis Bacon
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climblarge
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Thats the best thing I've seen all day, besides my girlfirend sitting next to me!!!!
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karlbaba
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A philosopher named Krishnamurti said that Art is man's amplification of nature because we're too numb to appreciate reality as it is. Everything is beautiful Peace karl
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galt
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People arguing over a well done piece of photoshop... this site has reached an all time low.
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junnos
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"If ANYbody could take a good climbing action shot, we'd see those instead of the TR ass shots. Unless everybody's just holding out on us :shock: Like, DUH! That's why I mentioned raping down OVER the subject. If people would put a little EFFORT into things there WOULD be LESS ass shots.
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I printed it and have it hanging above my computer at work. It makes me laugh everytime I look at it. Well done.
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I'm using it as wallpaper in my computer!
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cryder
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Actually, this whole thing is a hoax. Gollum is my friend, we hang out a lot, so I just decided to take him "human climbing" for the day... he tended to eat my quick draws and slings, so I gave him cams to chew on as they last a little longer. - n -
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In reply to: If I'm in the right location at the right time, it doesn't mean I'm a great photographer. No Karl, but knowledgeable photographers (like G.R.) make sure that they are often at "in the right location at the right time". Mark Personally the original Kole is good. if I were a picture of me mine I'd frame a copy. But, I'm not going around showing the one of Kole to anybody. The picture of gollum is great because has mass appeal that I can even show non-climbers. Mass appeal is important to a picture in this category, cause without it no one will pay attention.
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adventureman
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Awesome pic! Gotta print that one out!
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I enjoyed the pic although I'm somewhat of a purist when it comes to photography. It was very well done. Should doctored photos be on the front page frequently? Probably not, but from time to time I think it ok. For those of you interested in doctored photos, check out the amazing work on a variety of topics at http://www.worth1000.com/galleries.asp It would be cool to have one of their contests based on doctored climbing photos (or a thread with new pics here).
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grigriese
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I like the Gollum pic - I liked Hillary's original. The Gollum pic makes me laugh. I am amazed at what can be done with technology. This thread really shows how serious people take themselves as climbers. Get over it!
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cryder
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In reply to: I enjoyed the pic although I'm somewhat of a purist when it comes to photography. It was very well done. Should doctored photos be on the front page frequently? Probably not, but from time to time I think it ok. For those of you interested in doctored photos, check out the amazing work on a variety of topics at http://www.worth1000.com/galleries.asp It would be cool to have one of their contests based on doctored climbing photos (or a thread with new pics here). What is central to Gollum working is not that is was technically proficient, but that there is an idea behind it people seem to relate to. In submitting Gollum, I am in no way advocating we have special sections for composit images - there are plenty of sites out there for that. The uglier side of composit images often involves multiple sources for one image that could present legal issues. In this case, both the original photographer and the subject were very gracious in allowing the altered image to be posted (in regards to Gollums origins, they were all parts from public domain sources or origanal renderings and are legally considered parody). If this were more common, I doubt people would be as receptive to it. Adding a competitive element these submissions would likely place emphasis on the execution, as apposed to the idea behind it. Should there be more images like Gollum? Only if they're relevant to the climbing community.
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I can't believe people like this pic! It's all wrong. Don't believe me...look at Gollums gear selection, it's the wrong size cam. Jeeez.
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In reply to: What is central to Gollum working is not that is was technically proficient, but that there is an idea behind it people seem to relate to. In submitting Gollum, I am in no way advocating we have special sections for composit images - there are plenty of sites out there for that. I agree. I merely thought that some other creative climbing pictures would be interesting to see in a thread, not a special section of rc.com.
In reply to: Should there be more images like Gollum? Only if they're relevant to the climbing community. My thoughts exactly.
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Yes. Fiction is always beter than reality. So, I suppose your favorite TV shows would be cartoons then? Fair enough, I guess the lowest common denominator will prevail. Curt Man, relax there's no need to get snippy I'm not getting snippy. I am only explaining why I think the original pic is superior to the altered photo in question. Curt The original was a photo, a capturing of an actual event--A work of realistic art. The image was a mixture of reality and the capturing of an actual event--A work of creative art. It seems to me that your argument is that the photos section is for realistic art only. I would disagree. I think that while photos are mostly what would be of interest to the general RC user, I think the photos section should also be for images or cartoons (such as the one showing a diagram of a mean fall) that pertain to climbing and may bring enjoyment to the general RC user. However there may be something to be said for rating contributions that are not realistic art (since most is realistic art). NOTE: "realistic art" and "creative art" may not be the correct terms (I ain't no art major) just the ones I use here for this context.
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climb4life
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i think it should become a poster
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faultblock
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I just saw the Return of the King trailer, and there was a short scene in which Frodo was freesoloing a juggy route - maybe the producers have taken a cue from the Gollum pic...
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In reply to: I just saw the Return of the King trailer, and there was a short scene in which Frodo was freesoloing a juggy route - maybe the producers have taken a cue from the Gollum pic... Sorry, the three films were all shot together a long time ago. All they're doing now is editing, adding music and tweaking the special effects. For whatever it's worth, I think the pic is great. Creative, funny, and masterfully done. And just think what a great ropegun Gollum would be. Well, aside from waking up to the sound of him trying to gnaw through your portalege ropes. I can see it on bookshelves now: "The Two Trango Towers... In a Day!" GO
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Where did All of Cryders Pix Go?!?! I am at a loss without them... Just when I was trying to brag about the guy being RAD to the bone.... Cryder bro.. Alpine, anyday, lets do it... your place or mine... But right now its concrete jungle time - and I need some entertainment... where are you when we need ya?? Take Air, Adam BTW this event has forced me out of a long time no post streak... feel honored ;) -nod and agree please ;)
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Can somebody repost the pics? 8^)
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Fairly certain he took them offline for a reason, since the removal coincided with his decision to get into advertising more seriously... but you can always ask him yourself pretty easily. ;)
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hishopper
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One pic that I will remember forever. I've even seen in floating around the net on other sites..
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just do a search on google images for "gollum climbing" you will get tons of pics of it...
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cryder
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Wow - incredible to see this old thread. Brings back some memories.
In reply to: Fairly certain he took them offline for a reason, since the removal coincided with his decision to get into advertising more seriously... but you can always ask him yourself pretty easily. ;) Well, close but not really. I've been in the ad biz for eight years now. There were just a lot of negative feelings about the photo, and rather then join the fray I decided to pull the trigger on Gollum. There was also a usage issue by a certain magazine that was outside of my control. Some folks had also been photo bombing him and driving his rating down, and I had had enough. He's still out there running around tho. A little bird told me he was quite the hit with the folks at Weta in NZ. Made the rounds in their studio. I have been thinking about sharing some new conceptual work lately for everyone to see... We'll see.
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ropeburn
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Cyder, I really enjoyed your Dream series, especially the one on the Jefferson Memorial. Keep up the creative work.
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cryder
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Thanks man. I think I like the urban subjects and their alpine parallels. Perhaps I will post a new series in the next couple of days.
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In reply to: I've even seen in floating around the net on other sites..
In reply to: just do a search on google images for "gollum climbing" you will get tons of pics of it... Fabulous. Let me now state plainly I will not tolerate any more use of my photos for "creative art." Period. I don't care how rad it looks or how much of a good sport I pretend to be, or how bitchy you think I am for taking control over my own work.
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In reply to: Cryder bro.. Alpine, anyday, lets do it... your place or mine... Cool deal. You bring the keg, I'll bring the inflatable BBQ.
In reply to: But right now its concrete jungle time - and I need some entertainment... where are you when we need ya?? I am not alpine spider man.... hey, that gives me an ide..a....
In reply to: BTW this event has forced me out of a long time no post streak... feel honored ;) -nod and agree please ;) *nods in approval*
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