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So how do YOU carry YOUR nut tool? I have mine on a length of accessory cord that is tied to a biner. When I need the tool I unclip it from the biner on my harness, but if I drop it, it's still attached by the cord and biner. Actually it's a pain cause I'm always struggling to unclip the tool from the biner or getting the cord tangled up.
I've seen all sort of different ways (chest sling, bungee cord, wrist loop, just not dropping it, etc) But I want to know what works for YOU. I know some of you folks have funky tricks for this.


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yeah those are a pain to unclip and mess with. i just started myself so im glad u asked this.

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I deal with unclipping and then reclipping it from gear loops while on lead. While seconding, I just clip it to the rope. When I need it i can pull it up to any position and work with it while not having to unclip it.

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A 2 foot loop of Gemini cord. Works as a sling in a pinch, funkness device if needed, and dont ahve to unclip to use it normally.


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Tie a 4" diameter loop to it. You put your hand through it when you unclip it, and it's nearly impossible to drop. You lose five seconds each time you grab and replace it on your rack.


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Just trying a new system right now as I got fed up with my shoelace method. It's rainy in Squamish so I was bored and came up with this. It seems to work well in my test lab (read: living room), but I haven't given it the practical test yet.

I got 2 of those keychain mini-biners and a 1m length of thin cord. You could probably do with less cord and any old biners, but the plan is the same.

(If this is sounding familiar and you think I'm just going to get really pedantic, bear with me. A bit of rainy day engineering went into the finer points of this classic system. However, I'm sure it's not 100% original, so if you've been doing it this way for years then be sure to let me know before I apply to have it named after myself.)


    [*:ae6a0dc832]Tie a loop in one end of the cord. It should be loose enough to rotate around the spine of the biner. This end of the cord goes on the mini-biner that is attached to the nut tool.
    [*:ae6a0dc832]Fix the other end of the cord securely to the other biner. You can clove hitch it and tie off the end, or make a loop and girth hitch it.
    [*:ae6a0dc832]Hold your nut tool biner which is attached to the loose loop end of your cord. Trick-draw shorten the cord by looping it thru your nut tool biner and clipping it into the fixed biner.
    [*:ae6a0dc832]Trick-draw shorten the cord one more time by grabbing all 3 strands as one, and looping them through the nut tool biner one more time. Clip it to the fixed biner.
    [*:ae6a0dc832]You should now have a very short length between the two biners, and the nut tool attached to the loose-loop biner. Rack it on your harness by the nut tool biner. The fixed attachment biner hangs loose.
    [*:ae6a0dc832]To use: Grab the free-hanging biner. Open it and drop all the loops out of it. Clip it to your rope. Unclip nut tool from harness and bash away.

    Things it has going for it: it's tidy and gravityproof. Let me know what you think of it.


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Squish, isn't that just way more hassle than it is worth?

My favorite nut tool leash is a phone cord, but I have yet to perfect that so mine is just on accessory cord.

I keep it on a locker (can never have too many spare lockers) or bail biner (ditto). Bowline knot on accessory cord to biner and nut tool. Then I clip the nut tool to biner as well.

I usually just clip the nut tool to the rope and drag it up with me as I climb. Then I will never, ever, drop it.

If you learn to climb with me, you know that rule number 1 is DO NOT DROP ANYTHING.


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always use your partners rack....


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My favorite nut tool leash is a phone cord, but I have yet to perfect that so mine is just on accessory cord.

They make coiled security cords for computers and such. They have a swaged loop on each end, and are porabbly the equivalent to a coiled 3 or 4mm accessory cord. May want to look into that. It's actually not a bad idea...hmm...I smell a marketing scheme comming on!


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Squish, isn't that just way more hassle than it is worth?

What can I say, it's raining here.

Maybe it is a hassle, but for the moment it has a cool, engineered, BetterWay[tm], "look what I made" air about it. That may change after I feel like strangling myself with it on my first day out.

I can retrieve it one handed, and not drop anything. I like that part of it...

Have you tried it? It's really not a hassle at all once you've practiced putting it away a couple of times.

That said, it's a nut tool. It's not life-threatening. Do what works for you, and carry a big hex.


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I have enough nut tools that I've found at the base of long climbs that I was considering making a wind chime out of them for awhile. I don't recommend just trying "not to drop" your nut tool as a strategy. Too easy to whack your knuckles and drop it.

I like using cord with full strength for the nut tool. It can be used as a funkness device, emergency runner, prussic cord or whatnot.

peace

Karl


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get the metolius extractor and eliminate the biner. i think it was apollodorus?? that was a good suggestion, i might try that


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I had an old coat that had one of those stretchy elastic ropes at the bottom of it, similar to the cord inside of tent poles. Well I tied that to a biner and the other end to the tool. The biner I clip to my harness and then clip tool into the biner. When I need it I just unclip the tool and streach the cord to where I need it. I suppose I could add another biner at the tool to make uncliping from the harness eaiser.


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Hi - Have only started leading/seconding on natural gear recently and was thinking about this problem - I thought a good idea would be to stick the nut key on one of those things that one uses to put the ski pass in the machinr.... the elasticated ones (know what i'm taking about) or else was going to try one of those small dog "retractable" leads.... has anyone tried any of the above (save me the experimentation?) :P


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I got this tip a while back, and it's worked well for me. I use a janitor-style retractable keychain. The version I have has several feet of reach, and a thin, plastic-coated cable. Attach the tool with the standard circular keyring, which is much lower profile than a biner. I clip it to my chalk bag belt, but I was a little worried about it coming unclipped. I girth hitched a small hair elastic through it, and threaded the belt as a back-up. You could certainly use small cord, but I just looked around the house for a suitable alternative.

I leave it towards the back of my belt when leading, and bring it forward when I second a pitch. I can easily grab it, spool as far as my reach to clean a piece, and when I'm done, I just let it go. If it gets away from me, not a big deal.

On occasion, my tool will snag a branch, a sling, etc. That can get a bit annoying. If I know I won't need my tool for a while, I'll clip it with a biner to a harness loop. That works well enough to prevent accidental deployment.

mark


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check out the comments at the end of this page lots of ideas there.\

http://www.climerware.com/ntool.shtml


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Yep- i guess the key-chain thing is probably better than the ski pass (as usually the chord is quite thin) and the small dog lead (as the mechhanism bit is quite big) - will try to find one!


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shock cord. when stretched out, it's arm length, when its not, its 12 inches long. tie it to a mini biner, clip it to the harness. clip the tool to the same biner.


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2 biners (Neutrinos). 2.5 feet of 4mm cord with loops tied in ends, biners clipped to loops. 1 biner also has a Leatherman Micra tool clipped to it, and this biner is clipped to my gear loop. The other biner is clipped to the nut tool then clipped to the 1st biner on my harness.


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two options:

1. tie a 2' piece of 3mm accessory cord to it; tie an 8 on a bight to the other end and clip a small accessory biner to it. when you need it, simply clip the biner to the rope and pry away.

2. clip it to your harness with a biner (no accessory cord). you'll only have to drop it once to learn your lesson.

bear in mind that (in most cases) you'll use the tool only a small percentage of the time. except in the case of removing aid pieces, if you're having to use your nut tool to remove every piece, you really need to smack yer leader and tell him (or her) not to over-seat the gear.


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always use your partners rack....


hahhaha...thats good.

Get used to your nut tool as the most anoying piece of gear you must have. Biner + accessory cord is as good as it gets.


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I use one of those retractable key chains. You know the ones you always see janitors wearing with a million keys on it. I just clip it to my gear loop and viola! It's like 10 feet long so i just grab it, pull it up and then let it go when im done.
Travis


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Get used to your nut tool as the most anoying piece of gear you must have.

Nothing that doubles as a bottle opener can be called annoying.


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Nothing that doubles as a bottle opener can be called annoying.

amen to that !!


as for not dropping, i generally clip it into the sling of the piece that i'm trying to clean if it's a concern - but i'm better with smacking myself in the face with gear than i am with dropping it. (seriously, a bloody nose and fat lip .. be careful .. those nuts are dangerous!)


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i'm better with smacking myself in the face with gear than i am with dropping it.

I haven't caught myself in the face, but I had a large nut (pro'ly #12 or 13) pop out of a constriction, slide down the rope, and pendulum on its 2' sling into my ankle bone. Hurt like hell. Luckily, I was at a really good stance that allowed for moderate hopping and swearing.

mark (my aforementioned attachment system saved my nut tool)


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(seriously, a bloody nose and fat lip .. be careful .. those nuts are dangerous!)

Well may you should be more careful when you're . . . mmmm . . . eh . . . uh . . . hmmm . . . no . . . no . . . no. Not gonna go there. Not gonna say it.

(Hugepedro excercises a little self-restraint.)


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*with the tool in place of the ID card.

http://store4.yimg.com/...storeusa_1758_686936


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I got this tip a while back, and it's worked well for me. I use a janitor-style retractable keychain. The version I have has several feet of reach, and a thin, plastic-coated cable. Attach the tool with the standard circular keyring, which is much lower profile than a biner. I clip it to my chalk bag belt, but I was a little worried about it coming unclipped. I girth hitched a small hair elastic through it, and threaded the belt as a back-up. You could certainly use small cord, but I just looked around the house for a suitable alternative.

I leave it towards the back of my belt when leading, and bring it forward when I second a pitch. I can easily grab it, spool as far as my reach to clean a piece, and when I'm done, I just let it go. If it gets away from me, not a big deal.

On occasion, my tool will snag a branch, a sling, etc. That can get a bit annoying. If I know I won't need my tool for a while, I'll clip it with a biner to a harness loop. That works well enough to prevent accidental deployment.

mark

i am trying that...


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I attached a loop of 3mm accessory cord that is about 4 inches. THen I attach that to a biner and clip it to a shoulder length sling which I put over my shoulder. It gives me plenty of reach to clean almost anything without removing the nut tool.

You could do the same thing without the biner if weight is an issue. but the sling with a little extra cord works like a charm either way and I don't dedicate a biner to it anyway, I just use an extra off my harness if i have one. When leading I attach it sans the shoulder lenght sling to my rappel gloves so it's not a major liability if I fall.


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*with the tool in place of the ID card.

http://store4.yimg.com/...storeusa_1758_686936
This is exactly what i meant by the ski pass thing!! haven't tried it yet - have you? any good?


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http://www.imagestation.com/...c431851/fac54f6e.jpg

A bungee keychain from the hardware store: $.99
Metolious Nut tool with clip $20
Never dropping your nut tool again: priceless.


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I use this...

http://www.omegapac.com/media/caranut_tool.gif

...with a single length of 3mm cord girthed to my gear sling so that it's a little longer than my outstretched arm. I keep in practice one-hand-tying a knot that releases when I pull the nut tool--it keeps the cord from snagging.

The best spring-loaded retrievers are found at fly fishing shops--the wire can be used as a funkness. They don't stretch very far though.


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*with the tool in place of the ID card.

http://store4.yimg.com/...storeusa_1758_686936
This is exactly what i meant by the ski pass thing!! haven't tried it yet - have you? any good?

Those do work, but I feel that the ski pass ones are too big, if you go to staples or any other office supply you can find this http://www.staples.com/...ducts/461144_std.jpg

it's much lower profile and you can clip it to your shirt collar. I've been doing this for more than 2 years and i haven't had a problem with it getting lost/caught on rock.

-J


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it's much lower profile and you can clip it to your shirt collar

You climb with your nut tool attached to your shirt collar? Interesting.

For the last ten years or so I've been using a length of cord - about 20" or so. Run the cord through the smallest hole on the tool and tie a knot. On the other end of the cord, tie an overhand on a bight to form a loop and clip that to your harness. When you're not using the tool, clip the biner through the loop and through a hole on the tool.

It's nice to have your tool on a full-strength piece of cord or webbing so that you can back up those crusty old rap slings in a pinch. And yes, I have used my cord for this.

Three pages of "how to sling a nut tool" advice. Holy crap, aren't we thorough!

Eric


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Tie a 4" diameter loop to it. You put your hand through it when you unclip it, and it's nearly impossible to drop. You lose five seconds each time you grab and replace it on your rack.


Thread revive for props and winner. This man is the winner. This is by far the best method. I tried the arm-length keeper cord, it always gets tangled with the rack somehow.

I tried the ID-badge coiled wire dooflachy, it WILL eventually limit your reach at some point.

The hand-loop, once you've tied it to the correct length, is the best solution by far. Hand through loop, unclip from harness, unlimited reach, almost impossible to drop, the least bulk of all the solutions.

Props Apollo - thanks for the tip.


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I guess you didn't try


Been working great for me for ten years.

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Why bother with the extra bulk? All i need is a 4" loop of 3mm.


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I don't know about you, but I don't want the tool fixed to my wrist. It's often necessary to fish around in a crack, or hit the tool with a rock, or maneuver the tool in weird ways.

GO


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I don't know about you, but I don't want the tool fixed to my wrist. It's often necessary to fish around in a crack, or hit the tool with a rock, or maneuver the tool in weird ways.

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I know, which is exactly why I adopted this system.

I don't know what you're envisioning, but when you get the loop tied at the correct length (which does take about 15 minutes of eyballing/trial and error) it's like it's not attached to anything. You can maneuver the tool as those you were holding it free, without any kind of leash.

That's why I went this route upon seeing it suggested - as I mentioned in my post, all the other methods resulted in some form of pain in the ass on occasion when needing to do some unorthodox tool maneuvering.

Give it a shot and you'll see what I mean. If you're having trouble maneuvering the tool, adjust your loop length. It's too short.

I also recommend the slight modification of tying an overhand on a bight to form the handloop somewhat separately from the attachment portion of the cord. It almost ends up as a mini-ice-tool leash, but you can easily slip your hand into/out of it when trying, but not by accident.


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Some things are hard to discuss on the web. But imagine this. I take the tool off my harness with my right hand. I use both hands to get it in exactly the right spot against the back of a lobe of a fixed cam. I hold it in place with my left hand, while getting a sling off my rack. I clip the sling in and funk the cam with my right hand, while holding the tool in place with a finger of the left, and torquing or pulling a little on the stem of the cam with my other hand. I repeat, adjusting the placement of the tool, until the cam has been cleaned.

How the hell can you do this if the tool is fixed no more than 4" from one hand the entire time it's off your harness? Not possible.

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cracklover wrote:
Some things are hard to discuss on the web. But imagine this. I take the tool off my harness with my right hand. I use both hands to get it in exactly the right spot against the back of a lobe of a fixed cam. I hold it in place with my left hand, while getting a sling off my rack. I clip the sling in and funk the cam with my right hand, while holding the tool in place with a finger of the left, and torquing or pulling a little on the stem of the cam with my other hand. I repeat, adjusting the placement of the tool, until the cam has been cleaned.

How the hell can you do this if the tool is fixed no more than 4" from one hand the entire time it's off your harness? Not possible.



GO

You could adapt it pretty easily. Dual loops allow for easy hand swapping mid operation. I tried it for a little bit and found it unnecessary - I rarely need to swap hands.

Alternatively, reach around a little. It's not like you can't take/put items on/off the rack with one hand.

Also, maybe I'm confused, but this part:

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I clip the sling in and funk the cam with my right hand, while holding the tool in place with a finger of the left, and torquing or pulling a little on the stem of the cam with my other hand.

You have three hands!? Why on earth do you need a keeper attachment for the nut tool at all? Wink


By the same token:

I take the nut tool off my harness, which it is attached to with phone cord. Unfortunately, I need to wedge into a specific notch to unfix my pro, and once in the notch, the tool is tenuous. Unfortunately the tension on the nut tool from the stretched phone cord makes it impossible to maintain the appropriate placement while preparing to pound on the tool. What to do now?

Look, if you look hard enough, you can find a problem with any setup you want. If you prefer your method, I'm not tryin' to stop you man. Just puttin' out there that I dig the loop method and it never gives me any trouble.


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Never mind. If you like your system, that's cool.

Cheers,

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cracklover wrote:
Never mind. If you like your system, that's cool.

Cheers,

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Securit™ (retractable key chain) - Sturdy Kevlar cord. Holds 16 keys (or a cleaning tool). Clasp attaches securely to belt loop (or harness).



https://www.uline.com/...ractable+Key+Holders


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well, 5 years ago i used shock cord. about 3 years ago, i switched to nothing at all- now i leave my nut tool on the back loop of my harness for the once in a great while use.

i dont know about you guys- but how often do you actually use your nut tool? in the last 3 years, i've probably pulled it out to remove a nut maybe a dozen times.....i use it more often to cut tat off of old rap stations...(i have the Trango Shark- handy little gadget!)


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vegastradguy wrote:
i dont know about you guys- but how often do you actually use your nut tool? in the last 3 years, i've probably pulled it out to remove a nut maybe a dozen times.....i use it more often to cut tat off of old rap stations...(i have the Trango Shark- handy little gadget!)


It's definitely on the rare side - 1-2 times a climb for most multipitch routes.

It's one of those things though - rather have it and not need it than vice versa.


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In reply to:
how often do you actually use your nut tool?

Mid-pitch, probably once every six pitches. At belay stations, something closer to once every three pitches.

GO


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Put your cleaner on a full sized biner. Anything else is superfluous.



I've replaced or changed every item on my rack umpteen times except my cleaner (which is the only original item that I still use from my days as a beginner). The only reason to place a cord on your cleaner is when you are trying to fish out a piece of gear that's fallen into a crack that's out of your reach.

Less is more. Why add a cord to your cleaner. Who wants to deal with a clusterfuck on your harness when you are climbing with all this stuff already.




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clip it to one of those key keepers that janitors use...
or one of these;


j/k
I clip mine to a 24# sling that's over my shoulder. I have the tool tied off to a loop of 4mm that's doubled up unless needed for ext.


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I attach mine with a PTFTW!!!


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angry wrote:
I attach mine with a PTFTW!!!

Nice going. A goot PTFTW can be invaluable.

I'm with the nothing crowd. I've got a tool on an older, heavier biner (also my bail biner.)

I use my nut tool infrequently enough that I'm not too concerned with dropping it. If I really have to finagle, I'll clip it to the rope with a sling, and then have at it.

I've ditched most superfluous stuff over the years, keeper cord, cordellete, extra lockers, ropeman, etc.


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caughtinside wrote:
angry wrote:
I attach mine with a PTFTW!!!

Nice going. A goot PTFTW can be invaluable.

I'm with the nothing crowd. I've got a tool on an older, heavier biner (also my bail biner.)

I use my nut tool infrequently enough that I'm not too concerned with dropping it. If I really have to finagle, I'll clip it to the rope with a sling, and then have at it.

I've ditched most superfluous stuff over the years, keeper cord, cordellete, extra lockers, ropeman, etc.
Oh so that is what happened to your brain


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artm wrote:
caughtinside wrote:
angry wrote:
I attach mine with a PTFTW!!!

Nice going. A goot PTFTW can be invaluable.

I'm with the nothing crowd. I've got a tool on an older, heavier biner (also my bail biner.)

I use my nut tool infrequently enough that I'm not too concerned with dropping it. If I really have to finagle, I'll clip it to the rope with a sling, and then have at it.

I've ditched most superfluous stuff over the years, keeper cord, cordellete, extra lockers, ropeman, etc.
Oh so that is what happened to your brain

I was thinking of "partners who set every nut so hard you have to clean them with a nut tool" as the first piece of superfluous climbing paraphernalia to be jettisoned. I go with the spare biner too.


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dominic7 wrote:
I was thinking of "partners who set every nut so hard you have to clean them with a nut tool" as the first piece of superfluous climbing paraphernalia to be jettisoned. I go with the spare biner too.

I have a cure for climbing partners who do that you know, setting every nut. I put my FiFi hook on my harness, take their gear and bounce test EVERY SINGLE placement (placing the whole set of nuts if the route allows) leaving them to clean. They have much more incentive when it's their gear "they" need to clean. At 225, they get set real good. I've never had to "cure" a climbing partner twice.



As for carrying the nut tool. Well, it's on either an accessory biner or light weight biner with a short length of 2mm cord, or with no cord... depends how I feel that day. I typically only really use it to clean cracks for the placement, or for cleaning my filed down pink tricams, but when I do need it for removing a piece of gear I typically clip it into the sling/draw then use as per normal. The thing is IF I really do need to use it chances are the thing is pretty jammed already and I'm likely needing a hammer/rock/big hex to bash the tool.

Partners can be tools too BTW.


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Four years and three pages on carrying nut tools!? C'MON!!


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whatever you do, do not use acc cord tied to go in a slip knotted loop around your hand.

imagine falling and the hook on the tool catching the nuts cable, the nut holding, and the cord constricting on your wrist with you hanging below.


always use just a fixed loop big enough to slip your thumb through.


or some other janitorial solution.


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linvillelover wrote:
whatever you do, do not use acc cord tied to go in a slip knotted loop around your hand.

imagine falling and the hook on the tool catching the nuts cable, the nut holding, and the cord constricting on your wrist with you hanging below.


always use just a fixed loop big enough to slip your thumb through.


or some other janitorial solution.

That's why I don't wear ties while climbing; one slip of the foot, a fall, you scream, the tie flapping in the wind gets caught into your mouth... BAM! Gonorrhea.


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linvillelover wrote:
whatever you do, do not use acc cord tied to go in a slip knotted loop around your hand.

imagine falling and the hook on the tool catching the nuts cable, the nut holding, and the cord constricting on your wrist with you hanging below.


always use just a fixed loop big enough to slip your thumb through.


or some other janitorial solution.


How far do you fall when seconding a pitch?

You're planning way too hard for contingencies that are way too unlikely.


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[fun with the backspace key invisible ink Angelic]

ja1484 wrote:
cracklover wrote:
Some things are hard to discuss on the web. But imagine this. I take the tool off my harness with my right hand. I use both hands to get it in exactly the right spot against the back of a lobe of a fixed cam. I hold it in place with my left hand, while getting a sling off my rack. I clip the sling in and funk the cam with my right hand, while holding the tool in place with a finger of the left, and torquing or pulling a little on the stem of the cam with my other hand. I repeat, adjusting the placement of the tool, until the cam has been cleaned.

How the hell can you do this if
the tool is fixed no more than 4" from one hand the entire time it's off your harness? Not possible.



GO

You could adapt it pretty easily. allow for easy hand swapping mid operation. I tried it for a little bit and found it unnecessary - I rarely need to swap hands.

Alternatively, reach around a little. It's not like you can't with one hand.

Also, maybe I'm confused, You have three hands!? Why on earth do you need a tool at all? Wink


By the same token:

I take the tool, attached with phone cord, to wedge into a specific notch, and once in the notch, the tool is tenuous. Unfortunately the tension on the tool from the stretched phone cord makes it impossible to maintain the appropriate placement while preparing to pound. What to do now?

Look, if you look hard enough, you can find a problem with any setup you want. If you prefer your method, I'm not tryin' to stop you man. Just puttin' out there that I dig the method and it never gives me any trouble.



BRO! ...Shouldn't you be discussing this in your dorm room or something?Laugh

edit: someone had some sort of issue with my backspace-ability, so I had to edit it so as to not "misquote" him.
ja1484 seemed to have no issue with my little fun, and actually saw the humor in it, so his was left as was.
not that it really mattered anyway, as the quote was quoted in the next post anyway.


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stymingersfink wrote:
[fun with the backspace key Angelic]

ja1484 wrote:
cracklover wrote:
Some things are hard to discuss on the web. But imagine this. I take the tool with my right hand. I use both hands to get it in exactly the right spot, while holding the tool in place with a finger of the left, and torquing or pulling a little on the stem with my other hand. I repeat, adjusting the placement of the tool, until the tool is fixed no more than 4" from one hand the entire time.



GO

You could adapt it pretty easily. allow for easy hand swapping mid operation. I tried it for a little bit and found it unnecessary - I rarely need to swap hands.

Alternatively, reach around a little. It's not like you can't with one hand.

Also, maybe I'm confused, You have three hands!? Why on earth do you need a tool at all? Wink


By the same token:

I take the tool, attached with phone cord, to wedge into a specific notch, and once in the notch, the tool is tenuous. Unfortunately the tension on the tool from the stretched phone cord makes it impossible to maintain the appropriate placement while preparing to pound. What to do now?

Look, if you look hard enough, you can find a problem with any setup you want. If you prefer your method, I'm not tryin' to stop you man. Just puttin' out there that I dig the method and it never gives me any trouble.



BRO! ...Shouldn't you be discussing this in your dorm room or something?Laugh

Er...what?


Edit: Oh waiiiiit.....now I see it.

Little bored, are we? Laugh


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I believe misquoting is against the TOS.

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