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flamer
Oct 22, 2003, 10:13 PM
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SO What's the deal with this "Warriors way" forum?
With all do respect to the author of the book, why is this a forum on this site?
I understand folks need to discuss training issue's and this include's mental training.
But why is there a forum named after a book that was published for profit?
If the publisher wants to take out an ad the site need's the money...but what's with the freebie??
And having to join a group to post?? Sounds pretty secular....
josh
P.S.
Did I spell commercialization right?
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tim
Oct 22, 2003, 10:16 PM
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In reply to: P.S. Did I spell commercialization right?
You misspelled "flamebait".
We'll let it slide... but what happened is that a not-entirely-unanimous decision was made at the request of several people who were interested in having such a forum to discuss the book, and since a straw poll indicated that people favored "read-only-for-everyone", that's how it went.
Become a mod, feel the pain, and join the REAL flamewar on this topic...
In the grand scheme of things this is disruptive but also likely to cause some positive changes.
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Oct 22, 2003, 10:18 PM
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I went and read the sticky and I must say...
(sorry, you have to send me 10 bucks and buy me lunch before you're entitled to hear my answer)
DMT
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dingus
Oct 22, 2003, 10:25 PM
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Hey, can we have a Rock Homo's Way too?
How about a Rock Farmer's Way?
Rock Policeman?
Rock Cash Register Salesman's Way?
Rock Climbing Dot Com Filing Clerk's Way?
Rock Penthouse Centerfold's Way?
How about a Rock STFU NOOB Way?
Kay. A chicken in every pot and a forum for every post. But ya gotta join the club first (freakin sheesh!)
Come on now everyone, all together:
A Forum for every post!
A Forum for every post!
A Forum for every post!
A Forum for every post!
A Forum for every post!
A Forum for every post!
A Forum for every post!
DMT
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flamer
Oct 22, 2003, 10:59 PM
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Ok,
I just looked over the link to the official "warrrior's way" website. Now I'm serious, this should not be on the site. There is plenty of room for you guys to do your "warriors way" worship stuff over there.
That whole thing looks like nothing more than a glorified "pay me to tell you how to climb" deal.
This is a serious FOR PROFIT organisation and should not have it's own forum.
Please Moderators and Admins. take a hard look at what is going on here!!
If the "warriors way" people want to place an ad then by all means!!! But don't let them have it for free!!!
josh
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thrasher
Oct 22, 2003, 11:07 PM
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I think they should have a special forum to discuss the proliferation of gay nuns on dope that climb.
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troutboy
Oct 22, 2003, 11:17 PM
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In reply to: ... And having to join a group to post?? Sounds pretty secular.... josh P.S. Did I spell commercialization right?
Yes, but you committed a terrible misuse of "secular"
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thrasher
Oct 22, 2003, 11:26 PM
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I figured it would take an intellectual like myself to point out that he meant seclusionary.
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jt512
Oct 22, 2003, 11:39 PM
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In reply to: SO What's the deal with this "Warriors way" forum? With all do respect to the author of the book, why is this a forum on this site? I understand folks need to discuss training issue's and this include's mental training. But why is there a forum named after a book that was published for profit? If the publisher wants to take out an ad the site need's the money...but what's with the freebie?? And having to join a group to post?? Sounds pretty secular.... josh
We have no commercial deal with Arno Ilgner, the author of the Rock Warrior's Way. The WW forum was the brainchild of iamthewallress (Melissa) and me. The idea came out of a thread in the Ladies Room in which a number of individuals thought it would be useful to work on some of the exercises in the book over the weekend and discuss their experiences on line afterward. The purpose of the forum is to provide people who have an interest in learning the mental training principles in the book an online group setting to have a place to do just that. We would like Arno to participate in the group, and as I understand it, we may offer him a free banner and a link to his website as an inducement. I don't see this as "comercialization" of the website. We already sell limited advertising, which covers the operating cost of the site, allowing it to be free to you and me. Although it wasn't my intention, if naming the forum after the book helps to publicize it and induces Arno's participation, I'm all in favor of it.
The forum is in some ways an experiment. It is organized as a special-interest "club." Anyone may read the forum, but to post, you must first join the associated usergroup. The only requirements to join are that you read the book and have a sincere interest in learning to apply the mental training principles discussed in it. If the forum is successful, we may try other clubs, too. We'll see. Not everyone agrees that such special interest groups should be accommodated. Personally, I like the idea.
-Jay
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jt512
Oct 22, 2003, 11:46 PM
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jt512 moved this thread from General to Suggestions & Questions.
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Oct 22, 2003, 11:57 PM
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Hey Thrasher, what is wrong with gay nuns smoking dope?
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I, for one, do not think anyone should be getting free banner ads. This idea that we should all be foot-kissing because this is a free site is bollux. There would be no site without users. There would be no content without users. There would be no fun without users (like dingus to get us all riled up).
Instead, keep focusing on delivering quality services to your customers (advertisers) and your product (users). Corporate money is flowing toward climbing, and seemingly not to ebb for quite a while. Just because you guys are too recreational to figure out how to tap into it without charging folks doesn't mean we should have to listen to folks pretending that this site would profit and survive by taxing its own product (users).
Let's adopt a new site mantra to bring everyone back together ...
"rc.com is, and always will be, a free community"
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Oct 23, 2003, 12:35 AM
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In reply to: "rc.com is, and always will be, a free community"
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
And they say sarcasm never comes accross well on sites such as these......
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jt512
Oct 23, 2003, 12:35 AM
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In reply to: Instead, keep focusing on delivering quality services to your customers (advertisers) and your product (users).
Um, that's the point of the new forum.
-Jay
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Oct 23, 2003, 12:41 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: ... And having to join a group to post?? Sounds pretty secular.... josh P.S. Did I spell commercialization right? Yes, but you committed a terrible misuse of "secular" :D TS :
HAHA!! You're right!
I'm a fireman, my vocabulary can be limited sometimes!! Even more limited is the proper use of it!!
josh
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Oct 23, 2003, 12:52 AM
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In reply to: We have no commercial deal with Arno Ilgner, the author of the Rock Warrior's Way. The WW forum was the brainchild of iamthewallress (Melissa) and me. The idea came out of a thread in the Ladies Room in which a number of individuals thought it would be useful to work on some of the exercises in the book over the weekend and discuss their experiences on line afterward. The purpose of the forum is to provide people who have an interest in learning the mental training principles in the book an online group setting to have a place to do just that. We would like Arno to participate in the group, and as I understand it, we may offer him a free banner and a link to his website as an inducement. I don't see this as "comercialization" of the website. We already sell limited advertising, which covers the operating cost of the site, allowing it to be free to you and me. Although it wasn't my intention, if naming the forum after the book helps to publicize it and induces Arno's participation, I'm all in favor of it. The forum is in some ways an experiment. It is organized as a special-interest "club." Anyone may read the forum, but to post, you must first join the associated usergroup. The only requirements to join are that you read the book and have a sincere interest in learning to apply the mental training principles discussed in it. If the forum is successful, we may try other clubs, too. We'll see. Not everyone agrees that such special interest groups should be accommodated. Personally, I like the idea. -Jay
Why should he get a free banner ad? If he does wouldn't that be a commercial deal with Mr. Ilgner?
Why not go to his website and start such a "club"?
It seems to me that this site is about climbing in general, why not include discussion's of this new book in the training forum?
I completly understand people wanting to discuss things like this, and support it. However, it need's to be done in the same general way as everything else on this site. If not then aren't the advertiser's who pay getting cheated?? I mean how come there isn't a Vinny the pug forum??
Another issue, why should there be requirements to join?
I would prefer to see thing's kept on a general basis, otherwise things get more factioned off then they already are...
josh
P.S. was that proper use of factioned??Here I go with my big words again...
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Oct 23, 2003, 1:05 AM
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In reply to: Ok, I just looked over the link to the official "warrrior's way" website. Now I'm serious, this should not be on the site. There is plenty of room for you guys to do your "warriors way" worship stuff over there. That whole thing looks like nothing more than a glorified "pay me to tell you how to climb" deal. This is a serious FOR PROFIT organisation and should not have it's own forum. Please Moderators and Admins. take a hard look at what is going on here!! If the "warriors way" people want to place an ad then by all means!!! But don't let them have it for free!!! josh
Here's the thing Josh. A bunch of people thought it'd be good to go through the exersises and such from this book and talk about them. The book deals with some issues that some people don't feel that comfortable talking about in front of people like you. So they asked for a forum and got one because the site moderators generally try to help the users out. This is good for the sales on his book, yes, but discussion of Camalots is good for sales of Camalots too and you don't seem to have a problem with that.
So my suggestion to you is to ask yourself why you care and how it actually affects YOU in any way. And then, after you do your thinking, go take a leap off a short pier.
Kirk
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Oct 23, 2003, 1:17 AM
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In reply to: Why should he get a free banner ad?
To induce him to participate. I've already said that.
In reply to: If he does wouldn't that be a commercial deal with Mr. Ilgner?
In a limited sense, I suppose it would.
In reply to: Why not go to his website and start such a "club"?
Why not do it here, as a service to our members?
In reply to: It seems to me that this site is about climbing in general, why not include discussion's of this new book in the training forum?
It can still be discussed there, but the WW will be a working group, as I've explained in my first post in this thread.
In reply to: I completly understand people wanting to discuss things like this, and support it. However, it need's to be done in the same general way as everything else on this site. If not then aren't the advertiser's who pay getting cheated??
No. We would be offering Arno some advertising in exchange for his participation in lieu of cash.
In reply to: I mean how come there isn't a Vinny the pug forum??
When I was a kid and I asked a stupid question, my Mom would always say, "Jay, why do you think?". It was freakin' annoying, but I did learn to think for myself instead of asking stupid questions. I'll leave it at that.
In reply to: Another issue, why should there be requirements to join?
I've answered that as well.
In reply to: I would prefer to see thing's kept on a general basis, otherwise things get more factioned off then they already are...
We have lots of general interest forums. One of them is so general it's even titled "General." Go figure. However, different climbers have different interests, so it seems natural to provide specialized venues for discussion of those interests. In the case of the WW Forum, the idea is that it is to be a working group, not just a discussion forum. We'll see how it goes.
No one is forcing anyone to join and no one is keeping anyone (who is sincere) from joining. Seems to me that no one loses and it is an added benefit for those interested. I have trouble understanding why anyone would seriously object.
-Jay
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In reply to: So my suggestion to you is to ask yourself why you care and how it actually affects YOU in any way. And then, after you do your thinking, go take a leap off a short pier. Kirk
Isn't it go take a long walk off a short pier??
You see here is the thing, captain kirk. I've been very civil about this, and if you read my last post you'll see why I think the way I do.
I also think that people should be able to discuss this new training tool.
However, on a site as general as this why should we have a forum dedicated to something as specific as this?
So you see the problem doesn't revolve around the discussion of the book itself but more the promotion of the book specifically as a forum. Do we have a Camalot forum?? NOPE!! There are plenty of post's about camalots in The gear head forum, and that's where they belong. The "warrior's way" stuff belongs in the training forum.
If people don't want to talk about this stuff in front of people like me then the internet is not the medium they should use. Or maybe they should start their little cliche' on the "warrior's way" web site.
Hey you're from Boulder, maybe we should go climbing....
josh
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In reply to: In reply to: Instead, keep focusing on delivering quality services to your customers (advertisers) and your product (users). Um, that's the point of the new forum. -Jay
Jay,
Um, It's super that you have a point. But on this one I have to agree with flamer, whose best point was that your WW thread belongs in the technique and training forum.
-Jeremy
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In reply to: No. We would be offering Arno some advertising in exchange for his participation in lieu of cash.
"in exchange for" ????????
dude, that is advertising (as is this thread).
on site man had an interesting point that there are things that people might not feel comfortable talking about. I don't know enought about WW to understand. But if it's deeply personal stuff, it hardly seems appropriate anywhere on this site.
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In reply to: I mean how come there isn't a Vinny the pug forum??
When I was a kid and I asked a stupid question, my Mom would always say, "Jay, why do you think?". It was freakin' annoying, but I did learn to think for myself instead of asking stupid questions. I'll leave it at that
Funny! Except what if Vinny the Pug(and I would assume his owner) offered to do some fundraiser's for the site? Or Maybe Vinny could "contribute" to his own forum? He could be an inspiration for all climbing dogs(and their owners). Then does he get his free ad?
What about the Christian climbers ad? Why not start a christian climbers forum? Maybe their head guy could contribute then shouldn't they get a free ad??
josh
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In reply to: Why not start a christian climbers forum?
You mean...this isn't the Christian Climbers Forum?
I was lied to!!!!
Intercourse the Penguin!
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In reply to: Isn't it go take a long walk off a short pier??
Now THAT'S a new one. You think that up yourself?
In reply to: I've been very civil about this
In reply to: However, on a site as general as this why should we have a forum dedicated to something as specific as this?
1) Not enough people join
2) A lot of people take offense to it.
3) Both
I can understand #1 happening, my question to you remains though. Why would you take offense to such a thing? WHY DO YOU CARE whether there's a new forum?
In reply to: If people don't want to talk about this stuff in front of people like me then the internet is not the medium they should use. Or maybe they should start their little cliche' on the "warrior's way" web site.
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In reply to: flamer word special interests have taken hold whatever happened to the Metro climbers forum????
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Sing it loud!!!- I'm METRO and proud!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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