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bellatoris
Dec 23, 2003, 11:51 PM
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[quote="jt512"]In reply to: In reply to: I finally found the article about the impending Suicide closure. Here it is in its entirety: -- Care to cite a Source?
The source is a very humorous climber with a vivid imagination. While anything is possible under the current administration, at present the sale of Suicide Rock to a private enterprise for mining purposes is ridiculous....call the Forest Sevice Idylwild office (909) 382 2922 for another chuckle.
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climbsomething
Dec 23, 2003, 11:58 PM
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In reply to: call the Forest Sevice Idylwild office (909) 382 2922 for another chuckle. |
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roughster
Dec 24, 2003, 12:09 AM
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roughster moved this thread from US - West Coast to Regional Discussions.
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hasbeen
Dec 24, 2003, 12:48 AM
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Don't buy a 50m rope. Most of the newer areas around LA are being set-up for 60m, at least, and an area I was at last weekend has some routes you need a 70m to avoid rapping.
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dynoer
Dec 24, 2003, 2:54 AM
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I'd like to order a chunk of "Valhalla" to make a coffee table. Please keep us updated on ordering info. thanks.
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moabbeth
Dec 24, 2003, 3:00 AM
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Here's my question if this Suicide closure/mining story is legit:
Where was the Access Fund in all of this? I just can't imagine them not coming to the rescue of that sweet piece of stone if it was up for sale to a mining company. Not to mention the blasting operations up there would be pretty loud, I can't imagine the Idyllwild residents adjacent to Suicide would be too happy about that. And if it really was sold, how much did it sell for?
I dunno....I can't believe that entire rock would be sold and closed without a HUGE uproar in the climbing community here.
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thegreytradster
Dec 24, 2003, 3:31 AM
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In reply to: Here's my question if this Suicide closure/mining story is legit:
Whoever started this deserves
Troll of the Year!
I still have dibs on the Butress of Cracks! :lol:
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moabbeth
Dec 24, 2003, 3:42 AM
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Well, Jay (jt512) started it which is why I actually thought it might be true, cause he wouldn't joke about stuff like that. Maybe he knows the original source.
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brianthew
Dec 24, 2003, 3:49 AM
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This "Robbins Mining Company" doesn't seem to exist.
heh.
Somebody is pulling someone else's leg, methinks.
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Dec 24, 2003, 4:50 AM
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Actually, Suicide is in a wilderness area it is off limits to commercial development and exploitation - of this type. Robbins Mining says that the reporter made a mistake that they were buying Suicide. Robbins did work out a deal with the Forest Service and they will be blasting Tahquitz to make their granite counter tops, flooring and stone facades for corporate offices of oil companies with ties to Vice President Dick Cheney. Robbins is thrilled about this switch because the access to Suicide was murder anyhow. They will be building an access road in from Humber Park that will continue around the base of Tahquitz and out on the roads of South Ridge. The mayor of Idylwild and director of the local forest service office were paid a handsome fee for this idea (intellectual property). Climbers will have to cease use of Thaquitz by July 25, 2004. Robbins is dubbing this date Christmas in July for his company. He has given a warning to climbers however. Do not chisel off or remove any granite from Thaquitz. It is now the property of Robbins and climbers taking chunks of it home for souvineers will be prosecuted to the full extent for theft. 8)
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thegreytradster
Dec 24, 2003, 5:03 AM
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Back to your original post after an extended detour!
A 50 M will be great for all but a handfull of So Cal routes and is considered the standard length nowdays. You don't need anything longer for any of the 6000 or so routes at J Tree, 500 or so at Tahquitz / Suicide, or any of the Needles (S. Sierra) routes.
mostly of those routes were established with 165 ft (45M) or shorter ropes. Your 30M will get you in trouble though.
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jello
Dec 24, 2003, 5:05 AM
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"Furthermore," he added, "those climbers who were still coming through were usually neglecting to purchase an Adventure Pass, and that really hurt operations."
Right! You don't need a FAP to park at Suicide.
I'll bet some people on this site could be sold just about any bill of goods!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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guyzo
Dec 24, 2003, 11:49 PM
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Danielb...Lots of climbing around LA. Pick your posion, Trad, Sport, even some plastic. If your interested in Trad/Sport gime a call, I have always liked climbing with Scots.
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esoteric1
Dec 28, 2003, 12:21 AM
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T 15+
you didnt get me but i did see the hook set on a few! nice job
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smcaldwell
Jan 9, 2004, 10:26 PM
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All these replys and no mention of Williamson rock. Great sport climbing, even a few multi-pitch climbs. All ranges from Easy slab to drastically overhung. Bomber rock, the guide book calls it "featured granite". There is at least a couple of weeks worth of climbing, but camping can be an issue, as it is located on national forest land. I highly recomend this area. There is a fairly comprehensive guide book available.
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Jan 9, 2004, 10:29 PM
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Lots... This from the LA County Region in the Routes DBase here on the site:
In reply to: Devils Punchbowl of Los Angeles Horse Flats of Three Points Malibu State Park of Malibu and Calabasas Manhattan Heights Bouldering Wall of Manhattan Beach Miniholland Boulders of Westlake Point Dume of Malibu Spring Crag of Wrightwood Stoney Point of Chatsworth, Los Angeles Tar Creek of Filmore Texas Canyon of Santa Clarita The Bird Cave of Rancho Palos Verdes Tick Rock of Pacific Palasades Tunnel Crags of Wrightwood Vasquez Rocks of Agua Dulce Williamson Rock of Wrightwood
Click this:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/routes/listState.php?CountryStateID=4
Andf scroll down to LA County, there are over 1,000 routes entered into these Areas if you just click them.
Note-The above is just from LA County, as there is much more within a couple hours or less.
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jt512
Jan 9, 2004, 10:35 PM
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In reply to: All these replys and no mention of Williamson rock. Great sport climbing, even a few multi-pitch climbs. All ranges from Easy slab to drastically overhung. Bomber rock, the guide book calls it "featured granite". There is at least a couple of weeks worth of climbing...
Damn. After 5 years of climbing at Wmson I still haven't done all the routes. I must be slow.
-Jay
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Jan 9, 2004, 10:43 PM
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In reply to: All these replys and no mention of Williamson rock. Great sport climbing, even a few multi-pitch climbs. All ranges from Easy slab to drastically overhung. Bomber rock, the guide book calls it "featured granite". ....
Bomber rock? Guess you haven't heard, but with the recent freeze-thaw cycle a huge section of the London Wall fell off. From what I was told, the stream along the base is covered by about 5 or 6 feet jagged blocks, granite dust everywhere. Good thing nobody was there when it happened.
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scottcody
Jan 9, 2004, 10:47 PM
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JT... absolutely beautiful.
Fred Roberts...
Robbins Mining...
John Marshall...
"Homicide, if you will, of Suicide"
I was stumped by who's alias is Randy Miller.
I'm saving this one for a while.
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jt512
Jan 9, 2004, 11:45 PM
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In reply to: JT... absolutely beautiful.
Thanks, but I can take credit only partial credit. I had a ghost writer who insists on staying out of this publicly.
-Jay
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Jan 9, 2004, 11:59 PM
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jt512 you could do all the stuff that doesnt suck in a couple weeks so that means skipping stream wall and voices wall basicly just climbing london wall and waterfall and that stuff on the second pitch of waterfall wall.
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jt512
Jan 10, 2004, 12:02 AM
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On behalf of the entire Homicide of Suicide conspiracy, I thank you.
In reply to: you didnt get me but i did see the hook set on a few!
Indeed. Apparently, at least one reader called the Forest Service to verify the story. I think inducing a reader to call a government agency puts the Troll rating into the double digits. It was also privately related to me that a reader called the Access Fund to inform them of the "crisis." Better yet, the caller said that the Access Fund person he spoke with said that they were "already aware of the problem." Thus, apparently, the Access Fund, itself, was trolled.
-Jay
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jt512
Jan 10, 2004, 12:08 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: All these replys and no mention of Williamson rock. Great sport climbing, even a few multi-pitch climbs. All ranges from Easy slab to drastically overhung. Bomber rock, the guide book calls it "featured granite". .... Bomber rock? Guess you haven't heard, but with the recent freeze-thaw cycle a huge section of the London Wall fell off.
Thank god. Maybe there'll finally be something steep to climb there.
-Jay
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Jan 10, 2004, 12:17 AM
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In reply to: Indeed. Apparently, at least one reader called the Forest Service to verify the story. I think inducing a reader to call a government agency puts the Troll rating into the double digits. It was also privately related to me that a reader called the Access Fund to inform them of the "crisis." Better yet, the caller said that the Access Fund person he spoke with said that they were "already aware of the problem." Thus, apparently, the Access Fund, itself, was trolled. -Jay
roflmfao kudos, jt... that *was* good.
damn... lmao :)
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Jan 10, 2004, 4:20 AM
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JT512 your had me going for a while. Having someone call the Forrest Service really put it over the top. But for some reason I have this overwhelming feeling of déjà vu. Oh, I remember now. I heard this story about a year ago. The worst part of your story is that you’re taking it as your own. You know what they do to people when they steal things; they send them to the “pokey”. You know why they call it the pokey, don’t you? So when your thinking of using others stories as your own or in the shower at Chino, remember to just say NO. So just like Michael, it is time to fess up . :oops:
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