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did you say you wanted to eat me?
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did you say you wanted to eat me?
Jeesh, Hannibal Lector look out!!!!
A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chi-an-ti.
I find you rude and I don’t like rude people
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Alpinist vs. Mountaineer
They are one and the same it is jus a chestbeat contest…who cares??? Climb in whatever style u choose and label yourself according to your self insecurity (Yeah… need to sound cools for the chicks and the gapers)
I call myself an outdoor enthusiast without the trendy label bull
Alpinist…Mountaineer… Aid…Trad it is all labeling…and one crock-o-shait if u think that it makes any difference


without labels on what you are capable of how can you tell someone that you do something? i mean i would like to know a sport climber from a aid climber if i planned on doing aid, i mean outdoor enthuseast just doesn't explain that for a lot of people. labeling yourself and outdoor enthuseast means alot i mean do you bird watch? do you hike? do you climb? do you mean climbing in all areas of expertess? do you kayakee? do you hunt? or do you drive a Jeep offroad? i don't call myself any label except that wich was given to me at birth by my parents, though i can label the things i am capable on a passage of what i have done and do.


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I lead mounaineiring, I following alpine and I fee solo peak bagging.


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i mean outdoor enthuseast just doesn't explain that for a lot of people. labeling yourself and outdoor enthuseast means alot i mean do you bird watch? do you hike? do you climb? do you mean climbing in all areas of expertess? do you kayakee? do you hunt? or do you drive a Jeep offroad? i don't call myself any label except that wich was given to me at birth by my parents, though i can label the things i am capable on a passage of what i have done and do.

I don’t understand why do I need to explain myself to PP, and as part of my activities I Bird watch, I hike, I fish, I climb, I ride snowmobiles, I watch the sunset etc.
There is allot more to the title outdoor enthusiast then we like to admit…but this is a whole different story.
So yes, calling someone alpinist is actually limiting the experience and sharpening the so call aloof image…someone call the title eccentric…my question is, one adopt the title out of definition or out of egoism booster??? Now there is a fine line….it is cool to be aloof these days doesn’t it. so we all alpinists although we don’t know sh!t about what dose it mean so we need a topic that define it :wink:


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I don’t understand why do I need to explain myself to PP,

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Im a Gear HO too...

So much for your egoless, titleless society? Me thinks thou doest protest too much. Don't you see how labeling yourself a HO is limiting? Hehe.

DMT


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So much for your egoless, titleless society? Me thinks thou doest protest too much. Don't you see how labeling yourself a HO is limiting? Hehe.

DMT

I am a GEAR HO that define me for all the gear I have and this is still very particular description
Alpinist is very vague it is a definition for array of skills, experiences, and methods that are broader then we can put a label on
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BTW how can u call a Gear ho an egoism booster if anything it is a fault it is a synonymous for compulsive shopper …yeah I laugh at my weaknesses and acknowledge them too


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Caught red handed and still he tries to squirm away.

Fact is, punk, we're not telling people that we're alpinists. We're just talking about what that might mean, to participate in alpinism. I suspect Dingus thinks he's done some of that, but I also know he's gone mountaineering, cragging, bouldering, and it wouldn't surprise me if he watches birds and maybe even runs naked through the woods (outdoor enthusiasm?). People are lots of things at different times or all at once. What is a gear HO anyways?


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I a gear HO that define me for all the gear I have and this is still very particular description
Alpinist is very vague it is a definition for array of skills, experiences, and methods that are broader then we can put a label on
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I see! So when it's you making up the title, no ego is involved. I mean, after all, "GEAR HO" is a highly refined term recognized across this wide land in meaning and context! EVERYONE knows what a gear ho is! Is that what you're asserting?

But when I use some term like alpinist, that's ego tripping. Got it. Thanks!

DMT


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BTW how can u call a Gear ho an egoism booster if anything it is a fault it is a synonymous for compulsive shopper …yeah I laugh at my weaknesses and acknowledge them too

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BTW how can u call a Gear ho an egoism booster if anything it is a fault it is a synonymous for compulsive shopper …yeah I laugh at my weaknesses and acknowledge them too

BTW how can u call alpinist an egoism booster is anything it is a fault it is a synonymous for a masochist who doesn't know when to quit... yeah I laugh at my weaknesses and acknowledge them too.

wink wink

DMT


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Oh I get it now, Gear HO = Gear Whore. A pseudo-self-deprecating affectation that lets everybody know that you're very, very knowledgable about climbing gear.


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This thread is a textbook case study of the Dingus tribe theory. High-larious.

Carry on.


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BTW how can u call alpinist an egoism booster is anything it is a fault it is a synonymous for a masochist who doesn't know when to quit... yeah I laugh at my weaknesses and acknowledge them too.

wink wink

DMT

What a crock o sh!te
Again you try to define a broad experiences, skills and activities by labeling it Alpinist it is like a catch 22 that u cant seems to do the definition that is why u returning to the same point and trying to bully it heads on
Where is the irony in alpinism, where is the anti glamour description as I recall all description of alpine venturous describe human triumph, purity, strict style all of which can contribute to one pompous and vaunt ego
your equation is comparing apples to oranges


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Oh I get it now, Gear HO = Gear Whore. A pseudo-self-deprecating affectation that lets everybody know that you're very, very knowledgable about climbing gear.

that exactly what it is Gear Whore I do everybody and I buy everything
u see I am not a gear rep or a gearhead so I am not “A pseudo-self-deprecating affectation that lets everybody know that you're very, very knowledgable about climbing gear”
get it straight!! A minute ago u didn’t know what Gear-ho means


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I like to melt cheese on Chex Mix and eat it before bed.


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I like to melt cheese on Chex Mix and eat it before bed.
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I like to melt cheese on Chex Mix and eat it before bed.

Furkin elitist. Pfffffff.


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So punk, what exactly are you arguing for? That we strike the word alpinist from the language? That any use of it, or any term that carries some positive attributes and is not very well defined, should be discouraged for fear that it might be misused as a boast? That nobody is an alpinist or a mountaineer or a big wall climber or a bird watcher? We are all simply "outdoor enthusiasts"?

Well what about indoor activities? Isn't the term outdoor enthusiast a bit pompous? Surely the indoor crowd (gym climbers, knitters, players of Monopoly) will feel slighted. Exactly what does "outdoor" mean anyhow? What if you're just in the backyard? Then there are those who are unenthusiastic about their outdoor and indoor activities and they'll be plenty ticked off as well by your high and mighty claim of enthusiasm.

Punk. For someone with supposedly so little ego, you sure come across as arrogant when it comes to how other people use words.


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I don’t understand why do I need to explain myself to PP, and as part of my activities I Bird watch, I hike, I fish, I climb, I ride snowmobiles, I watch the sunset etc.
There is allot more to the title outdoor enthusiast then we like to admit…but this is a whole different story.
So yes, calling someone alpinist is actually limiting the experience and sharpening the so call aloof image…someone call the title eccentric…my question is, one adopt the title out of definition or out of egoism booster??? Now there is a fine line….it is cool to be aloof these days doesn’t it. so we all alpinists although we don’t know sh!t about what dose it mean so we need a topic that define it :wink:

you "climb" eh? It seems that your missing something here. We are discussing something that for some people is an all consuming passion. Not something they do once in awhile on the weekends. Maybe its just me but "riding snowmobiles and watching sunsets" is a bit different than be passionate about climbing, in whatever sense.

To some people, Im guessing you are in the catergory, climbing (mostly the kind that happens on warm sunny days and in heated gyms) is a fun enjoyable activity. For other people, it is what they think about most of the time and everything else in some way leads to or from climbing. The only winter "sport" that you mention is snowmobiling. i ahve a hard time seeing why you are so worked up about this discussion, which started out as a lighthearted disuccins with a rather humerous twist. I think you should go watch your sunsets and stop worry about other peoples "egoism boosters" You seem more worried about what other people think of you than anyone else here. So go away and let us continue this thread in the amsuing manner it started. PUNK!!!



PS. you dont happen to live in Suburbia and drive an SUV do you? just curious.


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What an impassioned discussion?

Alpinism? How can one word, is it a verb or adjective?, stir up so much rumbling?

Yes, to some it is an all encompassing ethos that saturates even there every day lives. To them I say, rally on. I just got off a two year "alpinism" bender. Best two seasons of my life.

Now, with just a touch of distance from that time, I am scared and wary of this term. It seemed living in "alpinism" was at the top of the cycle.

You can practice being an alpinist everytime you climb. Grab some more pitches, run a little, climb when its cold, coil the rope quicker. But, to really be one would incurr great humility that isn't often seen on the internet.

Talk about it all you want....



T - A= 0


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To some people, Im guessing you are in the catergory, climbing (mostly the kind that happens on warm sunny days and in heated gyms) is a fun enjoyable activity.

Man, I can't tell you how irritating it is to me when in the middle of a [BURTBRONSON]SERIOUS[/BURTBRONSON] climbing discussion someone says, "climbing is for fun, so who cares about {insert: bolts, ethics, style, punk-ass pebble wrestlers, etc.} . . . as long as you're having fun that's all that matters"

NO.

If climbing is fun to you, you are doing it wrong.


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Again you try to define a broad experiences, skills and activities by labeling it Alpinist it is like a catch 22 that u cant seems to do the definition that is why u returning to the same point and trying to bully it heads on

My original definition stands, sorry. Your input is rejected. Feel free to resubmit in the new year. I believe the Word Committee meets the first week of Feb. Your paperwork will need to be submitted no later than one week prior to receive any consideration. Oh, you' may want to brush up on your arguments before then. Somehow, they-just-don't-do-it.

See ya then HO.

DMT


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To some people, Im guessing you are in the catergory, climbing (mostly the kind that happens on warm sunny days and in heated gyms) is a fun enjoyable activity.

Man, I can't tell you how irritating it is to me when in the middle of a [BURTBRONSON]SERIOUS[/BURTBRONSON] climbing discussion someone says, "climbing is for fun, so who cares about {insert: bolts, ethics, style, punk-ass pebble wrestlers, etc.} . . . as long as you're having fun that's all that matters"

NO.

If climbing is fun to you, you are doing it wrong.

There is nothing wrong with climbing for fun, exercise or whatever. I was jsut pointing this out as it applies to this discussion. If you are climbing simply for enjoyment then you most likely arent gettting up at 4am to go climbing when you know you are going to get wet, be hungry and possibly die. There are other reasons. Im not saying that it being fun isnt one of them....its always fun later.


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There is nothing wrong with climbing for fun, exercise or whatever. I was jsut pointing this out as it applies to this discussion. If you are climbing simply for enjoyment then you most likely arent gettting up at 4am to go climbing when you know you are going to get wet, be hungry and possibly die.

Right, just like I said. Not doing it right. :wink:

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