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jebel_andi
Feb 22, 2004, 7:08 AM
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i think doing you little experiment was definetly affected by doing it on an over hang.
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warloc
Feb 22, 2004, 11:29 AM
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Maybe not ALWAYS a back-clip means falling to the next clip or ground. But when I'm climbing a hard move in a sport-route, I like to think that I have a clip that doesn't have the POSSIBILITY to unclip if I fall.
Anyway, if you learn properly, it costs the same or even more, to back-clip than to clip.
Have fun, and clip the right way :wink:
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warloc
Feb 22, 2004, 11:30 AM
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Maybe not ALWAYS a back-clip means falling to the next clip or ground. But when I'm climbing a hard move in a sport-route, I like to think that I have a clip that doesn't have the POSSIBILITY to unclip if I fall.
Anyway, if you learn properly, it costs the same or even more, to back-clip than to clip.
Have fun, and clip the right way :wink:
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elcommunisto
Feb 22, 2004, 12:20 PM
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Back-clipping is bad. I have first hand experience in this matter. A few years ago I was at the local climbing gym. On my third route of the day, I back-clipped about halfway up the wall. I knew what I had done, but the route was pretty easy and I didn't bother to re-clip. All was fine until I was reaching for the next clip, lost my footing, and fell. Rope came out of the back-clip and I hit the floor. Luckily, the only thing that happened was I got the wind knocked out of me. Thankfully the gym had very well padded floors or that could have easily been a nasty injury.
Besides, it only takes one time for you to get seriously/fatally injured. Is that really worth not doing something right for whatever silly reason?
EC
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jt512
Feb 22, 2004, 6:21 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: I watched a certain famous old-time climber (whom I won't name) out at New Jack, recently. He back-clipped the first 3 draws. Guess what? You can be a legend and still be incompetent, apparently. I first climbed in '85 and was taught back then not to back-clip by some now well-known climbers. That's not what they called it in those days, but they knew to avoid it. -Jay Just because the guy is outta the country, you could be a little more subtle.
Very good!
-Jay
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jt512
Feb 22, 2004, 6:24 PM
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In reply to: Back-clipping is bad. I have first hand experience in this matter. A few years ago I was at the local climbing gym. On my third route of the day, I back-clipped about halfway up the wall. I knew what I had done, but the route was pretty easy and I didn't bother to re-clip. All was fine until I was reaching for the next clip, lost my footing, and fell. Rope came out of the back-clip and I hit the floor. Luckily, the only thing that happened was I got the wind knocked out of me. Thankfully the gym had very well padded floors or that could have easily been a nasty injury. Besides, it only takes one time for you to get seriously/fatally injured. Is that really worth not doing something right for whatever silly reason? EC
There you go folks. Hopefully this post will put an end to this "debate."
-Jay
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straightedgeteen
Feb 22, 2004, 7:17 PM
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In reply to: My guess would be the fifty first fall where you do come unclipped and deck. At that point it doesn't really matter what happened on the first 50 falls. Don't really want to play the odds it's not worth the gamble. Then I don't walk into a casino with my paycheck and put it all on black either.
ditto
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hugepedro
Feb 23, 2004, 6:10 PM
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Can it be an all time best? I mean really, he's already been called out, yet you all continue ad nauseam.
Nice catch. Even made the newsletter.
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bellatoris
Feb 23, 2004, 7:03 PM
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about as bad as not clipping in the first place. i.m.o. backclipping is tantamount to skipping a clip. do not do it. learn how to clip, fall and downclimb, before you get in over your head.
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daryl314
Feb 23, 2004, 7:48 PM
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In reply to: about as bad as not clipping in the first place. i.m.o. backclipping is tantamount to skipping a clip. do not do it. learn how to clip, fall and downclimb, before you get in over your head.
funny how people will watch you skip a bolt and call you brave, but watch you back-clip a bolt and call you retarded
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el_trevor
Mar 9, 2004, 3:18 PM
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i know a guy who almost decked from backing a draw , you just got extremely lucky , thats really nothing to mess around with .
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dirtineye
Mar 9, 2004, 3:24 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: about as bad as not clipping in the first place. i.m.o. backclipping is tantamount to skipping a clip. do not do it. learn how to clip, fall and downclimb, before you get in over your head. funny how people will watch you skip a bolt and call you brave, but watch you back-clip a bolt and call you retarded
Not funny. And not brave, just stupid. Skipping a clip is retarded as well. Some guy skipped a clip at Fosters a while back and got really hurt. It was a case of 'going for it' on an easy route. Some tried to lay the blame on his belayer of all things.
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ipsofacto
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In reply to: First hand lucky it was in the gym, and on the first clip but i back clipped and when i went up the rope pulled against the clip and no rope ... thus back clip became a back climb...
Last year I couldnt spell graduated, now I are one. You learned me to talk gooderer, taalon. me to are a climber you want me and you to go climb rocks? Me too thus back clip to become back climb... first hand lucky... I climb back...
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danpayne
Nov 21, 2004, 7:50 AM
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In reply to: We all hear about how not to backclip a draw bacause the rope might get unclipped. I'm just asking if anyone has ever had this happen to them. A few weeks ago, me and some friends did an experiment where we took lots of whippers on a backclipped draw on an overhanging route so the falls were clean. Out of over fifty whippers, we NEVER became unclipped. so what's so bad about backclipping?
I tried Russian Roulette with 36 of my friends, (and that is much more dangerous than climbing) and only 6 of them died!!!! thats only one in 6! Back clip away my friend....
oh, and some of my other friends tried russian roulette and all of them died.... Must have been something to do with the pistol....
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onbelay510
Nov 21, 2004, 9:07 AM
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My partner took a lead fall awhile back at a gym and his rope clipped in the second draw down as he fell. If the top draw had been backclipped he would've decked. That was close enough for me.
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smithrockfreek
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ive had a bad experence with a back cliped draw. just dont do it
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