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wideguy
Apr 2, 2004, 2:43 PM
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My two vehicles are a 1993 Ford Escort 4 banger commuter car. Gets me about 25 MPG and is weak crappy and barely any fun to drive.
and my 93 Ford Bronco with the 351, K&N filter, 32 x11.5's, soon to have a 3" lift and 34" sneakers. Gets about 12MPG but is roomy rides nice and has enough ground clearance I can change my own oil without a jack. I also use it to tow my utility trailer when I do remodleing, going to the dump, Home depot and the compost center. Try doing that with a 4 cylinder escort. For my needs I love my SUV.
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krillen
Apr 2, 2004, 3:01 PM
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The main problem is the grand majority of peopel driving SUV's don't know how/what they are drivign beside's a status symbol. During winter here car's are towed out of snow banks, and SUV's are pulled out of fields. Why? People have this 4x4 = invincibility complex and drive accordingly. All the same rules apply. Water, in any form, reduces traction. So what if you have the newest 4x4 monstrosity? We you hit ice at 60MPH/100KPH you are going for a header.
People driving SUV's are accidents waiting to happen.
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justsendingits
Apr 2, 2004, 3:04 PM
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Farmer's around here still use 2 wheel drive pick ups cause they don't usually go into their feilds when the are wet.
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bluto
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The whole SUV debate is largely a farce. Far too many people run around patting themselves on the back for buying a fuel efficient car, and then proceed to put 40,000 miles a year on it driving to distant crags every weekend. Yet somehow they feel qualified to be critical of some suburban mother who puts 12,000 miles a year on her Ford Explorer.
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camhead
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In reply to: camhead. Please explain to me the difference between a truck and an SUV.
uhhh... gas mileage, in the case of my former and latter vehicles. Over 100% increase in efficiency.
I'm going to go buy a shell tomorrow. the only trouble is that the bed is just a tiny bit too small for my double wide boulder pad.
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krillen
Apr 2, 2004, 3:22 PM
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In reply to: The whole SUV debate is largely a farce. Far too many people run around patting themselves on the back for buying a fuel efficient car, and then proceed to put 40,000 miles a year on it driving to distant crags every weekend. Yet somehow they feel qualified to be critical of some suburban mother who puts 12,000 miles a year on her Ford Explorer.
But if you are going to be driving 40000 miles a year then wouldn't it be a HUGE waste of gas, $$ and much more impact on the environment to drive that SUV?
And if that Suburban mother can get 1.5 - 2 times the milage on her 12000 miles then we all win as a society.
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danooguy
Apr 2, 2004, 3:32 PM
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In reply to: I'm going to go buy a shell tomorrow. the only trouble is that the bed is just a tiny bit too small for my double wide boulder pad.
*gasp!
Do you have any idea how much of the environment has to be destroyed to produce and process a shell for your vehicle? Who in hell needs a DOUBLE WIDE bouldering pad. Why do you have to live so excessively! You can only drop onto one portion of the pad at a time anyway.
Buy a sponge for a bouldering pad. Buy a plastic tarp for a shell...no wait, thats an oil by-product....
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justsendingits
Apr 2, 2004, 3:37 PM
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Right danoo it's "all or nothing",eithier drive an Expedtion or burn your home and go live in a cave!!!!
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bumblie
Apr 2, 2004, 3:38 PM
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Tradman,
Yet again, our cultural differences are seen. Understandably, you prefer a sporty car that is fun to drive. In your tiny little country, it's not likely that you'll be taking any lengthy road trips.
For many climbers in the US, weekend destinations are 200-400 miles away. Most of the travel involves unimpressive, monotonous highway driving.
Generally speaking, we have different concerns.
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bluto
Apr 2, 2004, 3:43 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: The whole SUV debate is largely a farce. Far too many people run around patting themselves on the back for buying a fuel efficient car, and then proceed to put 40,000 miles a year on it driving to distant crags every weekend. Yet somehow they feel qualified to be critical of some suburban mother who puts 12,000 miles a year on her Ford Explorer. But if you are going to be driving 40000 miles a year then wouldn't it be a HUGE waste of gas, $$ and much more impact on the environment to drive that SUV? And if that Suburban mother can get 1.5 - 2 times the milage on her 12000 miles then we all win as a society.
We can play what if's all day long. The bottom line is, your driving behavior is much more important to determine your "environmental impact" that what type of vehicle you drive.
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apolobamba
Apr 2, 2004, 3:44 PM
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uhhh... gas mileage
HAHAHAHAHAHA, The tacoma does not get 30 mpg. It gets more like 22/25 mpg, the 4runner gets 18/20 mpg.
Thanks Camhead for saving the environment. your sacrfice is inspiring. call me when you own a Prius.
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danooguy
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In reply to: Right danoo it's "all or nothing",eithier drive an Expedtion or burn your home and go live in a cave!!!!
You have point there. The overall feeling of blaming someone for one aspect of their energy and resource consumption is the most logical thing to do. Electricity, natural gas, metals, polymers, chemicals, timber, rubber, plastics, etc, are all produced and consumed with zero effect. All completely infinite resources too, so we can ignore them in such a discussion. What was I thinking?
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justsendingits
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In reply to: Tradman, Yet again, our cultural differences are seen. Understandably, you prefer a sporty car that is fun to drive. In your tiny little country, it's not likely that you'll be taking any lengthy road trips. For many climbers in the US, weekend destinations are 200-400 miles away. Most of the travel involves unimpressive, monotonous highway driving. Generally speaking, we have different concerns.
Hey bumblie have u ever been to Europe?
They got these trucks with small efficient engines and a large hauling capacity.
That's a far cry from driving a Hummer or an Expedition!!!
Or even an Explorer
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epic_ed
Apr 2, 2004, 3:52 PM
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TOYOTA4RUNNER4LYFE!!!!
Fill 'er up...
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curt
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In reply to: In reply to: I'm going to go buy a shell tomorrow. the only trouble is that the bed is just a tiny bit too small for my double wide boulder pad. *gasp! Do you have any idea how much of the environment has to be destroyed to produce and process a shell for your vehicle? Who in hell needs a DOUBLE WIDE bouldering pad.
Obviously you have never seen Paul boulder. Hahahahahahahaha.
Curt
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tradman
Apr 2, 2004, 3:59 PM
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In reply to: Yet again, our cultural differences are seen. Understandably, you prefer a sporty car that is fun to drive. In your tiny little country, it's not likely that you'll be taking any lengthy road trips. For many climbers in the US, weekend destinations are 200-400 miles away. Most of the travel involves unimpressive, monotonous highway driving.
Hmm. You should really go and look at the geography thread again.
If I want to climb in Glen Coe, I'll have to drive 170 miles, which'll take about 3.5 hours. If I want to climb on Ben Nevis, it'll be 200 miles in just over 4 hours. And if I wanted to go to northern england to do grit climbing I'd be looking at over 250 miles in about 5.5 hours.
Tell you what, you come here for a climbing holiday and I'll be happy to let you do the driving since scotland is so small.
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The main thing with your European streets is all those narrow, quaint cobblestone avenues and sharp turns that go through villages. Driving across the Czech Republic takes forever. I assume Scotland has similar roads. A nice, small, narrow vehicle that takes turns well is ideal. And man would I prefer that I had bought a sedan now that I've been driving a truck for 10 years. Ugh.
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Canyonero!
Can you name the truck with four wheel drive,
Smells like a steak, and seats thirty five?
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down
It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Hey, hey!
Twelve yards long, two lanes wide,
Sixty five tons of American pride!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
Top of the line in utility sports,
Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts!
Canyonero! Canyonero!
She blinds everybody with her super high beams
She's a squirrel-squashin', deer-smackin' drivin' machine
Canyonero! Canyonero! Canyonero!
Whoa, Canyonero! Whoa!
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bumblie
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In reply to: In reply to: Yet again, our cultural differences are seen. Understandably, you prefer a sporty car that is fun to drive. In your tiny little country, it's not likely that you'll be taking any lengthy road trips. For many climbers in the US, weekend destinations are 200-400 miles away. Most of the travel involves unimpressive, monotonous highway driving. Hmm. You should really go and look at the geography thread again. If I want to climb in Glen Coe, I'll have to drive 170 miles, which'll take about 3.5 hours. If I want to climb on Ben Nevis, it'll be 200 miles in just over 4 hours. And if I wanted to go to northern england to do grit climbing I'd be looking at over 250 miles in about 5.5 hours. Tell you what, you come here for a climbing holiday and I'll be happy to let you do the driving since scotland is so small. :wink:
You sure do drive slow. For most areas more than 100 miles away, I average 70mph. Compared to climbers in the west, I'm a turtle. We're talking interstate highways.... unimpressive monotonous highways. Cornering isn't that important.
If I want to climb at the Gunks, it'll be 700 miles. If I want to climb in Yosemite, it'll be 2650 miles. :wink:
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In reply to: Canyonero! Can you name the truck with four wheel drive, Smells like a steak, and seats thirty five? Canyonero! Canyonero! Well, it goes real slow with the hammer down It's the country-fried truck endorsed by a clown Canyonero! Canyonero! Hey, hey! Twelve yards long, two lanes wide, Sixty five tons of American pride! Canyonero! Canyonero! Top of the line in utility sports, Unexplained fires are a matter for the courts! Canyonero! Canyonero! She blinds everybody with her super high beams She's a squirrel-squashin', deer-smackin' drivin' machine Canyonero! Canyonero! Canyonero! Whoa, Canyonero! Whoa!
Canyonero Roolz!!!!!!!!!11
I'm gettin me one as soon as I hit the lotto!
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justsendingits
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http://www.jumpstartford.com/home/
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Hey Tradman,
You know why they don't build computers in the UK?
Because they couldn't find a way to make them leak oil! hehehheh.
Volvo4lyfe!!
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