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the_dude
Jun 9, 2004, 7:42 AM
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Yeah, the other nice feature with the Fish ledges is the rivit hole in the middle of the bedding. When you wake up in a stupor and piss of the edge, and dribble all over the thing, it drips on to the ledge and runs down and out that hole, brilliant! I don't know if that feature is incorporated into the double ledge, but I love it on my single.
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timpanogos
Jun 9, 2004, 9:48 AM
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Yes, the fish double also has the "dribble" rivits - but they must be intended for the women - because the middle suspension poker hole proves to be dribble free!
It just takes a bit to get over the - dang I'm peeing the bed feeling - and letting loose.
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coylec
Jun 9, 2004, 4:24 PM
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sorry chad ... i didn't think you really wanted advice on how to urinate :lol:
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solo
Jun 10, 2004, 1:38 PM
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Does anyone use a therm-a-rest or other kind of mat when sleeping on a portaledge? Is it necessary for isolation (the comfort should not be a problem) with the air temperature close to zero Celsius?
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timpanogos
Jun 10, 2004, 4:08 PM
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if it is cold, definately on the thermarest under you
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epic_ed
Jun 10, 2004, 4:54 PM
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In reply to: Does anyone use a therm-a-rest or other kind of mat when sleeping on a portaledge? Is it necessary for isolation (the comfort should not be a problem) with the air temperature close to zero Celsius?
Yep. It just like insulating if you're sleeping on the ground. I definitely bring one.
And about that rivet hole...you sure it's just for drainage? Those who have Fish ledge have been observed "bounce testing" their ledge a lot more frequently than other. :shock:
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lambone
Jun 10, 2004, 5:14 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Does anyone use a therm-a-rest or other kind of mat when sleeping on a portaledge? Is it necessary for isolation (the comfort should not be a problem) with the air temperature close to zero Celsius? Yep. It just like insulating if you're sleeping on the ground. I definitely bring one.
When it is cold out, it is alnmost even more inportant than having one when you are sleeping on the ground. You have cold air moving under you, if it's windy it is rushing underyou, taking your precious body heat (and energy) with it, keeping you up at night. A bivy sac in cold weather is a good idea also, keeps alot of warmth in.
You say 0 degrees celcius. That's really cold and without one you will freeze. I don't know the celcuis conversion, but i like having a Foam pad even it's around 50-60 degrees F at night. I climbed a couple walls in July last summer and it was about 70-80 degrees F at night and I didn't bother pulling it out of the haulbag.
When it's cold, every team member needs one. In the middle of the summer it's not really necesary as you may find yourself sleeping on top/outside of your bag anyway.
But it is also good for padding the haulbag, in summer or cold weather.
Use cheap foam, a thermarest will pop, and be harder to attatch a tie-off too, which is nescesary.
In my opinion having a foam pad is crucial bivy gear that could prevent you from needing a rescue during a storm, anytime of year.
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coomer
Jun 10, 2004, 7:15 PM
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In reply to: Does anyone use a therm-a-rest or other kind of mat when sleeping on a portaledge? Is it necessary for isolation (the comfort should not be a problem) with the air temperature close to zero Celsius?
I take a closed cell foam pad (lighter than therma-rest). Definitely notice the difference. Especially if there is *any* wind. The convective heat loss can be substantial.
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iamthewallress
Jun 10, 2004, 7:19 PM
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In reply to: I take a closed cell foam pad (lighter than therma-rest). Definitely notice the difference. Especially if there is *any* wind. The convective heat loss can be substantial.
I would consider going with a sleeping pad and bivy sac (no sleeping bag) before going wtih a bivy sac and sleeping bag (no pad). On real ledges the rock is too hard and cold, and on portaledges updrafts have been colder than the air temp in my limited experience.
I use a pad to line my bag anyway, although unless I really need to scrounge for space I bring a 3/4 length ultralight thermarest so that I don't have to take the liner out of the bag.
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coylec
Jun 11, 2004, 4:56 AM
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I took my thermarest (z-rest), but found it unnecessary. I was using a 15* bag and wearing pants, socks, fleece and hat. I think the weather was around the 50s at night.
At 0*C, you're definately going to want a pad ... you're probably going to want either a very good bag (windproof) or a bivy sack as well.
what are you planning?
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solo
Jun 11, 2004, 8:33 AM
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In reply to: At 0*C, you're definately going to want a pad ... you're probably going to want either a very good bag (windproof) or a bivy sack as well. what are you planning? coylec
Thanks everyone.
I am going to Val di Mello in Italy to try some bigwall adventure - well the wall is probably not that big for some of you - 600 meters and the route is A2-A3ish/5.10. Shoud take us 4 days at most.
It can get cold up there in the Alps at this time of year, so I am packing a *really* good sleeping bag (although its dawn) - and a foam pad! I am looking forward to my first night on a portaledge! :)
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coylec
Jun 14, 2004, 2:17 AM
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If you are using a down bag, you REALLY need to ensure that it does not get wet. You get that bag wet, it will be nearly useless. be careful out there.
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