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mowgli_z
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Red point: leading and clipping draws on to the bolts.
Pink point: leading and clipping pre-hanging draws.
My new scale = for people who top rope only.
Yellow Point: top rope, cleaning draws with no resting, or taking on the rope.
Brown Point: top rope, "route variation style", NO draws hanging to clean just anchor draws, with no resting, or taking on the rope.
This scale could apply to Trad Climbing too.
It’s the difference between pissing or crapping yourself.
Do you think there is room in the “Point Scale” for us ‘Top Roping People’ to get a “Point” too~???
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overlord
Jun 7, 2004, 9:10 AM
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T0.
anyway, pink point is mostly nonexistent in sport climbing, mainly because some hard routes have fixed gear, not to mention that WC is an onsight comp and they have preplaced draws.
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mowgli_z
Jun 7, 2004, 5:23 PM
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Thank you for confirming that “Pink Point” does still exist. Only exception to the “pink point” is when there is fixed gear, which is a forced “pink point” and competitions. Everything else is PINK if the draws are pre-hanging for the lead. (outdoor climbing)
My original question: “Is there room in the ‘point scale’ for Yellow & Brown point”?
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In reply to: My original question: “Is there room in the ‘point scale’ for Yellow & Brown point”?
Yes, but not for toprope. Giving a "point scale" to toprope offers too much legitimacy to the style which in turn will encourage boulderers to take it up since they would then have slang with which to spray about it.
A "yellow point" is a climb that scares you out of your mind and makes you lose bladder control. a "brown point" is similar, except worse because your shorts get filled with a more solid form of bodily waste.
You can make up different colors if you want. Like purple and teal, or something. Consider the pastel color chart. Pastel colors would fit better into the toproping scene because they are more sissy.
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In reply to: Do you think there is room in the “Point Scale” for us ‘Top Roping People’ to get a “Point” too~???
No, no I don't. I think it's silly, but thanks for asking. If someone starts bragging about brownpointing a climb on TR and he doesn't have a load in his pants, I'm tying him off, escaping the belay, and going for a sandwich.
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mowgli_z
Jun 7, 2004, 7:51 PM
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All forms of climbing is good fun. I've been climbing since 1992 = 12 years.
I'm no sissy because I personally bolder V4 & lead climb = sport 5.12a, Trad 5.9, Ice WI4, and spend a lot of time “top roping” variations. I think if someone can call a pink point a red point (5.15a) then I should get more credit for cleaning your Pink draws without resting or taking on the rope. Because I did more work then you except with less risk of falling.
If the only threat of Yellow & Brown Point is the Boldering community will add more style to Sport Climbing. Then I say bring on the Styling Sport Climbers.
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In reply to: Red point: leading and clipping draws on to the bolts. Pink point: leading and clipping pre-hanging draws.
That's a little outdated. :wink: Although, I guess you could make a case for it in a trad context.
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In reply to: All forms of climbing is good fun. I personally bolder & lead climb = sport, Trad, ice, and spend a lot of time “top roping” variations. I think if someone can call a pink point a red point (5.15a) then I should get more credit for cleaning your Pink draws without resting or taking on the rope. Because I did more work then you except with less risk of falling.
More work except with less chance of falling? That's not the same work, that's completely different. That's like doing a solo time trial and comparing it to racing. "I did the same work, just with less chance of crashing into people." That's like standing in an empty lion-tamer's cage, cracking the whip and poking the chair at nothing, and claiming you're just as bad as the guy who gets in there with the cat. Haul my f'n rack up there and lead it yourself if you want more credit. Sheesh.
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In reply to: In reply to: Do you think there is room in the “Point Scale” for us ‘Top Roping People’ to get a “Point” too~??? No, no I don't. I think it's silly, but thanks for asking. If someone starts bragging about brownpointing a climb on TR and he doesn't have a load in his pants, I'm tying him off, escaping the belay, and going for a sandwich.
What he^ said! Tell me you led it clean, or TR'd with no falls. Otherwise, please, spare me the details. I don't give a shit.
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Jun 7, 2004, 9:53 PM
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Maybe we should use brownpoint for a trad lead that you complete with no falls, but it scares the @^$^%%)@& out of you. You know the kind when your're in the middle of it and have a religous conversion and/or a promise to finally set up that account on e-bay and sell all this junk and take up golf
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In reply to: Maybe we should use brownpoint for a trad lead that you complete with no falls, but it scares the @^$^%%)@& out of you. You know the kind when your're in the middle of it and have a religous conversion and/or a promise to finally set up that account on e-bay and sell all this junk and take up golf
The above quote is describing climbing in Sedona. Always bring a change of underwear for every pitch lead.
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I “on-sited” this 5.11c on ‘Brown Point’. It was an up-hill battle and when I got down, I had dotted my short with some solid waist. So it had to count for something because there was poo in my shoes.
I got a 5.11c On-Site, Brown Point. Plus it’s a variation and no one could lead it because it’s not bolted yet, but I know I did not rest on the rope. I did it clean on Top Rope.
Climbing Rules
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I always thought a greenpoint was a send on top rope, green meaning safe because topropers are sissy (I can say that becuase I have led).
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mattiem
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click - click
i can hear the flame throwers now
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mcmartin27
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Halcyon I’m so happy you have led... makes me feel all warm inside... As to everyone else... WTF! Top-roping is a necessary step in climbing that will never go away. So suck it up and give the man some f’n credit. I personally like to lead, but someone has to clean it. And if it’s a nice .11c lead to which makes me brown point my pants than I ain’t bloody cleaning it when someone would just as happily go up after me. So Yellow and Brown Point on TR Guys...
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mowgli_z
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I agree that top roping is a part of climbing that is not going away. So I like to give credit were credit is due. There is not a point scale to better describe what type of top rope was done. For leading there is a point scale to better describe how you led it. It only seems reasonable to have a more descriptive point scale for top roping.
Leading Point Scale:
Red Point: Lead climbing, placing draws or gear.
Pink Point: Lead climbing, pre-hanging draws or gear.
Top Rope Point Scale:
Yellow Point: top rope, cleaning draws or gear.
Brown Point: top rope, NO draws or gear to clean
This new Point Scale does not take any glory away from the art of climbing. It just better describes the art of climbing by separating Lead points from top rope points. Adding a new dimension to the sport and conversations at the watering hole.
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Jun 9, 2004, 7:07 AM
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And by a concensus the TR point extention is approved... I can see the headlines now, Top Ropers earn Brownie Points!
Sport Climbing is neither
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jonf
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mowgli,
why is it important to be getting credit.
Having those definitions is just pointless, its a waste of time.
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okay, this is silly...
toproping is never a viable ascent--its jsut getting ready to lead--sussing out the moves, whatever...
toproping an "alternative" route is just for fun adn the workout--it is not a "send" or x-point--just a toprope...and if the alternative heads into the regular route--its just being too scared to run it out till then...that's fine, it's just not a real ascent
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don't forget the Green Point - walk up to the climb say "I could do that - easy" and then move on. And there it is, another Green Point added to the list.
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i love the greenpoint idea--
yeah, i could do that!
man i have sent so many 13d's now!!!
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How about we describe a successful ascent of a boulder problem as a "Whitepoint", you know, like when you raise the white flag of surrender? Since boulderers have *given up* on being climbers, for one reason or another... *cough (chickenschitt posers) cough*... seems appropo to me...
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In reply to: Red point: leading and clipping draws on to the bolts. Pink point: leading and clipping pre-hanging draws.
If nobody else is gonna say it, I will.. You are an idiot.
In reply to: That's a little outdated. :wink: Although, I guess you could make a case for it in a trad context.
Correct. The idea of a redpoing versus a pinkpoint is only relevant in trad climbing these days. If you wanna argue otherwise, build a fizzucking time machine.
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Okay, WTF??? Are you people really going to be that self righteous about who leads what and who gets TR credit? WTF! The man simply asked a question as to whether or not this is a plausible scenario. Not once did I see him ask whether or not he was intelligent, (ikefromla), or who can lead climb what, or even whether or not who has the best form of sarcasm. Its quiet simple to say, “Hey I think we should leave it the way it is,” or, “maybe there should be some clarification as to what kind of a TR you did.” Quite frankly I don’t give a shit, but if someone else does, starts a new lingo and it catches on... great then. So all you bad ass climbers that think bouldering sucks, F*** you, the same applies to what you think about this TR discussion. Do you know what serious Trad climbers think about sport climbers? If you do than you’re all dumb as SH**... Why? Because your continuing the segregation attempts within a climbing community that needs to stay united. All forms of climbing are sweet, and all have there purpose, and if you can’t see that then... Well I don’t think I need to go there. Okay maybe I should... F*** OFF!
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In reply to: Top Rope Point Scale: Seconding: top rope, cleaning draws or gear. Toproping: top rope, NO draws or gear to clean |
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In reply to: And by a concensus the TR point extention is approved...
Wow... what do you call a popular concensus? a good 2 or 3 people?
In reply to: Halcyon I’m so happy you have led... makes me feel all warm inside...
Yeah.. I got a bit carried away, didn't I. However, back when all I did was TR, I didn't demand any recognition for completing a climb. I think there should be this scale for TR
Send: To complete the climb regardless of falls.
and streight from the RC.com climbing terms dictionary:
In reply to: Greenpoint - n. To flash a route on toprope. |
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Jun 10, 2004, 11:32 PM
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The reality of it all is the fact that you haven't really climbed a route until you red point otherwise who cares what color of point you have. Remember you're not climbing unless you are taking lead falls.
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mowgli_z
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To all the tuff guys,
By adding more lingo; this is called E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N. If you think Pink Point is out dated it’s only because of evolution. If you don’t want Yellow & Brown Point to be a part of Top Rope Lingo then here is a idea for you: Why don’t you get the “Time Machine” and travel back in time to before your precious Red Point was a part of today’s Lingo.
I’d say you are the sissy for not evolving.
PS…
For the record climbing is going up and falling is going down: get it right~!!!
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Oooooh, I want point credit too! This discussion is lame. My question is this, why are you so concerned? Just get out there and save your precious fingers from the extra duty of typing redundant and ridiculous replies to a ridiculous thread. Climb it, challenge YOURSELF, and don't worry about your "credit".
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cgailey has a good point.
and climbing on top rope has only two categories: its either SECONDING, when you climb behind a leader on a multipitch climb (even when using jumars) and clean the pro he placed and toproping when you climb the route on top rope.
the brown/yellow points are ricilous becasue you cant really be scared on a top rope (unless tis a traverse, but if it is, youre probably seconding and have gear to limit the pendulum anyway).
top rope is just that. a top rope. its about the safest way to climb.
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I can´t see any meaningful use for gear in the middle of a toprope climb. It´s just a way to complicate things (or to learn how to place/clean pro).
Meaningful "points" to score would be toprope onsight, toprope flash and toprope redpoint, since that tells something of your climbing ability.
I could also see the use for points to give you an idea of how many times you had to try the route before finishing it (for example redpoint means 2 or 3 times - anything else will be pointless).
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I would like to add another category...
The much covetted BLUE POINT.
Blue Point: When you belay a climber who does a hard send.
For instance, I belayed my friend on Predator (5.13b) at Rumney.
He earned a pink piont (since the draws are permanent) while I earned a blue point!
I'm very proud of that one. My hardest blue point to date.
V
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In reply to: Remember you're not climbing unless you are taking lead falls.
Nice concept. I'll make sure to remember that the next time I'm in R or X territory.
With all due respect, I'd say you're not climbing unless you're doing the following:
To move in a specified direction by using the hands and feet: climbed down the ladder; climbed out the window.
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what if there were 9 bolts with one piece of fixed gear?
or 9 bolts with a screw link "draw"?
the route couldn't "ever" be redpointed unless you skipped that "piece"...??? that's just stupid!!!
If you care that much about this $hit, then you obviously are missing the point of climbing.
onsight, redpoint, hangdog, TR...DONE
mf
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mowgli_z
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Wow~!!!
Sorry, I didn’t mean to stir up so much drama, I think I’ll keep my lingo and points to my crew of 20 climbers who drill bolted sport routes every season. Since I have plenty of lead climbers to carry the rack and lead it up for me. I’ll stick to my 5.11 variations on TR; off-route & un-bolted face climbs.
(Safer then sorry = ropes are my insurance policy)
I will not be seeing any of you “tuff guys” were I’m going: I would like to invite you to become my “Flat-mate” and rent a room from me for $300, utilities included; By visiting my profile and getting my info.
I love calling all of my “Pink Points = Red Points” because I’m now a 5.12- RED POINT climber.
I love evolution,
Mowgli Zettabaud
PS… save your fingers for climbing instead of typing.
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In reply to: I think if someone can call a pink point a red point (5.15a) then I should get more credit for cleaning your Pink draws without resting or taking on the rope. Because I did more work then you except with less risk of falling.
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In reply to: Okay, WTF??? Are you people really going to be that self righteous about who leads what and who gets TR credit? WTF! The man simply asked a question as to whether or not this is a plausible scenario. Not once did I see him ask whether or not he was intelligent, (ikefromla), or who can lead climb what, or even whether or not who has the best form of sarcasm. Its quiet simple to say, “Hey I think we should leave it the way it is,” or, “maybe there should be some clarification as to what kind of a TR you did.” Quite frankly I don’t give a s---, but if someone else does, starts a new lingo and it catches on... great then. So all you bad ass climbers that think bouldering sucks, F*** you, the same applies to what you think about this TR discussion. Do you know what serious Trad climbers think about sport climbers? If you do than you’re all dumb as SH**... Why? Because your continuing the segregation attempts within a climbing community that needs to stay united. All forms of climbing are sweet, and all have there purpose, and if you can’t see that then... Well I don’t think I need to go there. Okay maybe I should... F*** OFF!
achem: CHILL THE FUCK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! thank you and you're welcome. way to blow up a little bit of fun teasing.. jesus buddy.. i of all people consider myself an all-around climber.. don't get your knickers in such a twist.
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Do you guys know how funny this thread is.
Kalcario, I actually agree with you, what's up with that?
Fshizzle has purple tarpitted mcmartin27
Fshizzle has fuschia tarpitted ikefromla
Fshizzle has apricot tarpitted mowgli_z
b-fost has been teal tarpitted (the worst kind)
Fshizzle has locked this thread
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In reply to: Giving a "point scale" to toprope offers too much legitimacy to the style which in turn will encourage boulderers to take it up since they would then have slang with which to spray about it.
:lol: That's good comedy.
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In reply to: Do you guys know how funny this thread is. Fshizzle has fuschia tarpitted ikefromla
I tarpitted yo momma.
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In reply to: I'm no sissy because I personally bolder V4 & lead climb = sport 5.12a, Trad 5.9, Ice WI4, and spend a lot of time “top roping” variations. I think if someone can call a pink point a red point (5.15a) then I should get more credit for cleaning your Pink draws without resting or taking on the rope. Because I did more work then you except with less risk of falling.
Leading 12a sport or 9 trad or WI4 doesn't help you escape from sissydom. Arguing that your follow of a route is more worthy than someone's lead is what keeps you firmly planted in sissydom.
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Ok you're right.
I just got back from the Desert and I only led 2 of 30 routes. I now know I'm the sissy you claim I am.
You all are better then me, so would it just be alright if I cleaned your gear on a safe TR.
I'm not worthy,
I'm not worthy,
I'm not worthy,
Ya'll are my hero's
All I want is to be a "hard-guy" by association.
Let's all just climb together~???
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brown point = having to take a shit while on route
usually this occurs only on more secluded, multi-pitch routes. for me it was prusik peak.
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Yellow point: Getting the piss scared out of you on a route.
Brown point: Similar to yellow point. Use imagination for details.
-Jay
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"Hi, I pink greened my yellow varation on the gold route with a pointed blue blue-point of the upper head-bang-point bla bla bla...
Yep. Cute color names for climbing style sounds silly to me. They just make it easy to brag and easy to get knocked down when bragging. Sorry.. I meant to use the proper CLIMBING lingo... When spraying!
I'll stick to saying I "climbed" something and let the other peson ask how if they even care.
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In reply to: "Hi, I pink greened my yellow varation on the gold route with a pointed blue blue-point of the upper head-bang-point bla bla bla... Yep. Cute color names for climbing style sounds silly to me. They just make it easy to brag and easy to get knocked down when bragging. Sorry.. I meant to use the proper CLIMBING lingo... When spraying! I'll stick to saying I "climbed" something and let the other peson ask how if they even care.
....and as for colours.... how 'bout - "What's the Point"?
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ophir
Nov 3, 2004, 8:22 PM
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Pink yellow brown ...... this has got to be the stupidest post i have ever seen who cares its toproping
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ophir
Nov 3, 2004, 8:24 PM
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O sorry I got lost I don't think I'm allowed in the sport forum
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unabonger
Nov 3, 2004, 9:33 PM
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I have one more to add to this briliant discussion, thanks to some NoCal (that's North Carolina, you westcoastcentric bigots) friends.
When you return to a route that you previously redpointed, onsighted, flashed, soloed, headpointed, yellowpointed, pinkpointed, or brownpointed, and you flail.....
That's called the "BlackPoint" and it has now erased every other form of ascent you made of the route, and it means you either got lucky previously, you're now old, you're now a pussy, you're now injured, you're now a feeble pile of chossy excuse making assbag, or all of the above.
UB
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texscala
Nov 5, 2004, 6:44 PM
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I think once you start leading you do not care much about TRing. The people who use all the terms we are talking about are usually those leading. I only TR when my partner leads somthing that scares the piss out of me and when that happens I really do not like to talk about it. I never tell anyone I can climb a route until I can lead it. So I say no to yellow and brown points.
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