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actionfigure
Aug 24, 2004, 3:36 PM
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How many routes should you have to do in places like, Red Rocks or Yosemite or Josh, to call yourself a local? 100?
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thun
Aug 24, 2004, 3:38 PM
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living near there isn't enough to be a local?
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Downgrading routes that you have done dozens of times and have every single move worked makes you a local Mc#$*yokal.
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Aug 24, 2004, 3:44 PM
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IMHO, you have to actually contribute something positive to the area to be considered a "local". You have to actually have something "invested" in the area. The more routes you climb, without "giving back", the more of a "tourist" and less of a local you become. Just climbing routes will never be enough.
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The most common answer to this timeless question has to be: If you have to ask....
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In reply to: How many routes should you have to do in places like, Red Rocks or Yosemite or Josh, to call yourself a local? 100? It varies. Let me consult the manual... OK, here we go: Red Rocks - 50 trad routes II or longer, or 500 sport sends, PLUS at least one wall. Combo deals can be negotiated. Yosemite - 5 trade walls, minimum of one true hard aid route, 50 routes grade III or longer, lead all 5.10's on the Cookie, Arch Rock and at Reeds. Free solo Nutcracker every Sunday evening for 7 weeks straight. Try to reach the Bolt Hold on Midnight Lightning. Give at least one Valley hardman legend a ride to the Bar. Out drink that person, pour her into her tent, get her ass back up the next morning and take her climbing, getting her to fall following the crux of her own route, lol! And if you haven't done a stint on the SAR site don't even bother filling out the application! Josh - simple, you have to have 3 consecutive El Cap days, or 2000 route ticks, which ever comes first. Tennessee Wall - local status??? Easy, a 3rd eye in the middle of your forehead (you better pray son, and you better pray GOOD), a slim jim and an old pickup truck with a rifle in the back window. Gunks - 75 routes up to 5.9, another 35 5.10's or one good 5.11, like say Talus Food (route ticks, like the grades themselves, are underinflated at the Gunks!) Black Hills - climb like a Souix Indian, qiuetly, and leave without telling anyone you were there, ever. A sampling from the manual. DMT
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Aug 24, 2004, 3:57 PM
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you basicly need to know tha area really well. then you need to invest some of your time for the common good. and you have to think "what are those bloody tourists doing on my warmup" every time you encounter an unknown party.
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the only thing that can make you a local is if another local refers to you as a local.
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Aug 24, 2004, 4:15 PM
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In reply to: ... and you have to think "what are those bloody tourists doing on my warmup" every time you encounter an unknown party. Don't have to be a local to think that. /Damn tourists...
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Aug 24, 2004, 4:28 PM
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Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us. Many of the previous definitions are equally valid.
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In reply to: Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us. Many of the previous definitions are equally valid. I was overgrading to make the Gunkie's feel better... DMT
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In reply to: Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us. I'll buy that one!!!1 What I want to know is, am I still a local if I've done more than 1000 routes(way more) some fa's, but haven't climbed out there in 10 years? I still remember ther area real well, .... dummy domes in low angle wasteland. Sorry couldn't help myself. Now seriously Am I still a local?
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e_wire
Aug 24, 2004, 5:59 PM
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Just climb some diet stuff men... reduce your carb intake, you'll now be on a low-cal climber. Seriously, what's the point? Do you become SOMEONE after being referred as a local? Is there some climber-world-status-gain in becoming a local?
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euroford
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in asking that question, i must ask, what IS the criteria for being awsome?
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dingus
Aug 24, 2004, 6:07 PM
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In reply to: Seriously, what's the point? Do you become SOMEONE after being referred as a local? Is there some climber-world-status-gain in becoming a local? There sure is! But we can't tell you about them unless you're a local. DMT
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e_wire
Aug 24, 2004, 6:13 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Seriously, what's the point? Do you become SOMEONE after being referred as a local? Is there some climber-world-status-gain in becoming a local? There sure is! But we can't tell you about them unless you're a local. DMT Ahhhhh men... Anything like "exclusive" parties with out-of-this-world superstar climbers and superb creatures involved? Free beer? Unlimited sex??? Guess I'll have to buy that "Idiots Guide on becoming a local climber" book to find out...
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actionfigure
Aug 24, 2004, 6:13 PM
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e-wire, yes tripperjm, yes
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In reply to: In reply to: Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us. I'll buy that one!!!1 What I want to know is, am I still a local if I've done more than 1000 routes(way more) some fa's, but haven't climbed out there in 10 years? I'm on Todd's list of JT locals. I sure hope I don't lose this status by living in another state now. 8^) Curt
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Aug 24, 2004, 6:37 PM
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You might remember this little diddy by the Surf Punks My Rock My Crag My Route GO HOME! GO HOME! My Bolts My Shuts My Glue GO HOME! GO HOME!
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In reply to: Gunks - 75 routes up to 5.9, another 35 5.10's or one good 5.11, like say Talus Food (route ticks, like the grades themselves, are underinflated at the Gunks!) I qualify as a local there too, I guess--by more than a factor of two. But, how can I be a local in California and New York both--especially when I live in Arizona? Its all so confusing, really. Doesn't this violate the Pauli exclusion principal--or the Heisenberg uncertainty principal? Back to my quantum mechanics, I guess. Hahaha. Curt
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In reply to: Doesn't this violate the Heisenberg uncertainty principal? Curt Absolutely not my man. The faster you go the harder you are to pin down. The slower you move the easier it is to fix your position. I would think it rather reaffirms it! But I'm uncertain. DMT
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Aug 24, 2004, 7:12 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Actually, in Joshua Tree the rule is very clear. Long ago the local powers that be decided that to be considered a local, you must have climbed 1000 routes. If you buy that, I'm guessing there are about 30-40 of us. I'll buy that one!!!1 What I want to know is, am I still a local if I've done more than 1000 routes(way more) some fa's, but haven't climbed out there in 10 years? I'm on Todd's list of JT locals. I sure hope I don't lose this status by living in another state now. 8^) Curt You mean there is a list of locals now???? Christ, I hope I haven't somehow fallen off the list! You know after I was lured to the Dark Side, I did get a lot of hate mail and phone calls. The best one was that I "was single handedly destroying rock climbing in America" HAHAHA!!!1 In my defense, during those early transition years, I would make myself avalible for my critics at Todd's b-day and Holloween parties....everybody said they still liked me!!!!? Some how I must get a look at that list! Maybe ...I could retract all those silly things I said about Josh? You think that might help restore me into good graces with the "local powers that be"? I know Todd... I think he'll still remember me?! Curt, any help I could get in resolving this matter would be appreciated. Thanks ps. Did I see you agreeing with Joe in another thread? OMFG
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Aug 24, 2004, 7:16 PM
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Jack, The "list" is posted on Todd's website. And, yes Joe did actually say something that made sense finally. We'll see if it happens again. Haha. Curt
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In reply to: Jack, The "list" is posted on Todd's website. Curt I went to Todd's site, I guess there is a list of locals! I saw a listing for locals- high desert and locals- 1000+. Unfortunately it was in a members only area, so I didn't get to see the lists.
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I will always feel myself a local at Mt. Roubidoux, Yosemite, Idylwild, and Josh because I grew up at these areas, and every profile of most every rock triggers memories and feelings and a sense that here, I belong. I climbed many, many days at all of these areas but that seems secondary to the feelings of belonging, of being native to the terrain. JL
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In reply to: the only thing that can make you a local is if another local refers to you as a local. This is the closest to the truth. A local is defined by the other locals. If you are accepted and considered local by the others, then you are a local. It's like asking what makes you part of a gang? The other gang members of course. Some areas it's easy to become a local, others, impossible if you weren't born there. Still others, impossible if you ancestors were not born there.
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vivalargo
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[quote="on_sight_man"]In reply to: the only thing that can make you a local is if another local refers to you as a local. There's some truth in this, if your criteria for being a "local" is the reactions and reception of the folks at a given area -- unquestionably a big factor. But to me an even bigger factor is how I feel in an area when I'm there alone, or when I'm driving into an area, or bivouacking there. Where does my mind go when I'm stressed? What's my comfort level at a given venue above and beyond the social climate? For instance, eveyone in the Valley could diss me at every corner but Yosemite would still feel like home. JL
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:)
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asandh, you summed it up. that is the best reply of all and we should leave it at that. I'm pretty new to these forums, but I figured this would get people going. I love talkin' smack with you guys! You're all locals in my mind. AF
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What makes me a local!! I party all night long smoke the herbs and go climbin the next day lol :P :D
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on_sight_man
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In reply to: In reply to: the only thing that can make you a local is if another local refers to you as a local. There's some truth in this, if your criteria for being a "local" is the reactions and reception of the folks at a given area -- unquestionably a big factor. But to me an even bigger factor is how I feel in an area when I'm there alone, or when I'm driving into an area, or bivouacking there. Where does my mind go when I'm stressed? What's my comfort level at a given venue above and beyond the social climate? For instance, eveyone in the Valley could diss me at every corner but Yosemite would still feel like home. JL hmm, when I go back to New York, I am "home" but I am definitely no-longer "a local". And there are places I have lived where I never was "a local" but felt I felt at home as soon as I arrived.
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edited: out of context post to previous post. i hate long threads.
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[quote="vivalargo"]In reply to: In reply to: the only thing that can make you a local is if another local refers to you as a local. There's some truth in this, if your criteria for being a "local" is the reactions and reception of the folks at a given area -- unquestionably a big factor. But to me an even bigger factor is how I feel in an area when I'm there alone, or when I'm driving into an area, or bivouacking there. Where does my mind go when I'm stressed? What's my comfort level at a given venue above and beyond the social climate? For instance, eveyone in the Valley could diss me at every corner but Yosemite would still feel like home. JL hmm, got a point there. viva la rubberdux!!
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Tucker Tech - around 4500 Al Bartlett - 4000 Todd Gordon - 3400 Todd Swain - 3000 Dave Haber - 3000 Chris Miller - 2500 Dave Evans - 2500 Don Reid - 2500 Michael Paul - 2200 Raleigh Collins - 2000 Sheryl Haber - 2000 Dave Mayville - 1800 Keith Bruckner - 1600 Cyndie Bransford - 1600 Brandt Allen - 1600 Randy Vogel - 1500 Bob Gaines - 1500 Roger Linfield - 1500 AJ Burch - 1200 Louie Anderson - 1100 Kastle Lund - 1100 Derrick Reinich - 1100 Al Perry - 1100 Pat Dennis - 1000+ Curt Shannon - 1000+ Margie Floyd - 1000+ Jake Collela - 1000+ Scott Cosgrove - 1000+ Tim Wagner - 1000+ Tom Michael - 1000 Tom Burke - 1000 To be a local, you need to have done 1000 different climbs in Joshua Tree. Period. It takes a while to do that many routes. We're talking 1000 different routes with NO repeats counted. The current leader at the top of the heap is Tucker Tech with well over 4000 climbs. Al Bartlett comes in a lagging 2nd place with around 4000 and Todd Gordon (CEO joshuatreeclimb.com) is limping along at a distant third with around 3400 climbs. The women's leader is the amazing Sheryl Haber with over 2000 climbs. This is quite a small, elite group of hard cores. To be a local is quite an honor, and a hard earned goal for many to strive for. Here is a list of known locals and their stats. Please help me keep this list current. If you have done over 1000 routes and are not on this list, please contact us at toddgordon@joshuatreeclimb.com.
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snowborder magazine suggests that if u lived in the place for at least 3 years, u can b considered a local.
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I agree. It is not like surfing. everyone is open to climb. Late, CF
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In reply to: what makes you a local? The fact that I live here.
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In reply to: What makes you a local? You know you've reached local status when you can take other climbers, ones who climb much better than you, and show them around to a bunch of climbs, totally sandbagging them in the process.
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You'll know when you are a local, basically for me, I drive up my local canyon and recognize cars of climbers I have met before, I don't know there names but I know that they are up there.
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