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kachoong
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In reply to: Ladies and gentlemen, please extinguish all cigarettes - you're entering Queensland, Australia. The Queensland Government yesterday jumped ahead of the rest of the country in the crusade to stub out smoking by announcing sweeping new laws, including a ban inside pubs and clubs from the middle of 2006. It will also be against the law to smoke in outdoor eating areas. "These are the toughest anti-smoking proposals anywhere in Australia," said Queensland Premier Peter Beattie. "They include proposals that are not yet being considered by other states in their plans to introduce further tobacco bans." From next year it will be illegal to smoke between the flags on the Sunshine state's beaches, anywhere near children's playgrounds, inside sportsgrounds, or within four metres of the entrance of an office building. Point-of-sale advertising will be outlawed from the end of 2005 and retailers will face three-year bans for selling cigarettes to children.
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jumpingrock
Sep 6, 2004, 10:47 PM
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Happening all over the world man :D
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happiegrrrl
Sep 6, 2004, 11:05 PM
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They banned smoking in bars here in NYC last year and people blew gaskets. Many bar owners felt their business would suffer and threatened to sue for a repeal of the law(or something like that....I'm not very good with facts.). An underground business in bootleg cigs developed overnight; people were buying then tax-free on the internet and at reservations, and selling them on the streets and in the subways..... I think people can still smoke in outdoor sections of restaurants, but I am not sure about that. I will say this: A few years ago - if someone carelessly blew their smoke all over you, you just had to hold your breath and move away. But now....just the littlest look of "WTF???" and they might actually apologize for being inconsiderate. Anyway, I say - GOOD Riddance! I told my mom more than 15 years ago, when she tried to light up in a restaurant, that she'd better plan on quitting someday soon, because eventually it would be illegal to smoke in public. The look on her face....sheer outrage!
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kachoong
Sep 6, 2004, 11:07 PM
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...yeah, I know.... but I figure that laws can be a little drastic at times, perhaps over the top.... In this case it all sounds fine, except the smoking ban on the beaches part... I'm not a smoker and I hate to breathe in smoke in a public place INSIDE, and the ban covering the entrances and children playgrounds is realistic, but to stop people from smoking on a beach is way over the top I reckon... unless to avoid butts littering the beach....
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tradman
Sep 8, 2004, 11:44 AM
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Yeah, we're getting it in Scotland too. And preparing for after that, they're gearing up to go after the fat people. I kid you not.
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mattdog
Sep 8, 2004, 12:55 PM
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Ban em! Ban em all. Go Austrailia! You can't smoke in Florida either, but rest assured: My home state of South Carolina will be the last to go. Bring yer back-ass-wards, rebel-flag carrying, smoke inhaling, beer drinking selves down here, because good old boys still control the legislature and the rapture is coming!!!!
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bumblie
Sep 8, 2004, 12:57 PM
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This whole business of telling owners of private establishments that smoking is prohibited smacks of Big Brother taking away individual liberties. People have a choice, when it comes to entering a smoky bar. Too bad the owners can't choose whether or not to allow smoking. It's not that I support smoking, just that I'm terrified of incremental efforts by governments to outlaw "unacceptable behavior. Social/behavioral engineering is some scary stuff.
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mattdog
Sep 8, 2004, 1:04 PM
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In reply to: This whole business of telling owners of private establishments that smoking is prohibited smacks of Big Brother taking away individual liberties. People have a choice, when it comes to entering a smoky bar. Too bad the owners can't choose whether or not to allow smoking. It's not that I support smoking, just that I'm terrified of incremental efforts by governments to outlaw "unacceptable behavior. Social/behavioral engineering is some scary stuff. Actually, we don't have a choice. When I go into a bar, I have to put up with smokers. When I enter a restaurant, I have to put up with them. I'd agree with you on just about anything else, but smoking is hella awful, and it should have been banned years ago. Ones right to smoke impenges on my right to breathe free air. When one makes a CHOICE to smoke, you have forced other to make a choice to avoid you.
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missedyno
Sep 8, 2004, 1:06 PM
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yay! Toronto went smoke free in bars and restaurants June 1. I went out to the club for the first time in years a couple weeks back and it was nice to feel great the next day... not reeking of secondhand smoke and feeling like i smoked a pack on my own.
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unabonger
Sep 8, 2004, 1:08 PM
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In reply to: Actually, we don't have a choice. When I go into a bar, I have to put up with smokers. When I enter a restaurant, Um, I hope this isn't confusing for you, but don't you have a choice to go to another restaurant? Or is there only one in South Carolina? UB
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j_ung
Sep 8, 2004, 2:06 PM
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I'm torn between my devotion to personal liberty and my unbridled hate of the tobacco industry. :?
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mattdog
Sep 8, 2004, 2:24 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Actually, we don't have a choice. When I go into a bar, I have to put up with smokers. When I enter a restaurant, Um, I hope this isn't confusing for you, but don't you have a choice to go to another restaurant? Or is there only one in South Carolina? UB Yes, I can go to any of the restaurants in South Carolina, all of which allow smoking. I can also go out dancing, and enjoy the smell of smoke in my clothes the next day. I can choose any of the bars to attend and enjoy perusing the smell of cigarettes in my hair for days. Problem is, there are 10% of the people in the world that smoke it up for the rest of us. Sometimes a line has to be drawn. We don't allow drunk driving for the very same reason.
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vertical_reality
Sep 8, 2004, 2:31 PM
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In reply to: Problem is, there are 10% of the people in the world that smoke it up for the rest of us. Sometimes a line has to be drawn. We don't allow drunk driving for the very same reason. I hate to break it to you but more then 10% smoke.
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mattdog
Sep 8, 2004, 2:36 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Problem is, there are 10% of the people in the world that smoke it up for the rest of us. Sometimes a line has to be drawn. We don't allow drunk driving for the very same reason. I hate to break it to you but more then 10% smoke. Ok, 10%, 20%, whatever. Take their cancer sticks somewhere else and quit fouling up my air.
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bumblie
Sep 8, 2004, 2:52 PM
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How about unattractive people? Should they be prohibited from the places you frequent, so you don't have to be repulsed by their presence?
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macherry
Sep 8, 2004, 3:05 PM
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In reply to: How about unattractive people? Should they be prohibited from the places you frequent, so you don't have to be repulsed by their presence? Oh bumblie, your logic is fouled. Unattractive ppl aren't hazardous to my health, but second hand smoke is. I support any ban on smoking in a public place. My son has severe allergies, he cannot enter any establishment that has smoking. Where are his rights? It's amazing how ppl fight/moan/bitch and whine over the rights of smokers.........take your cancer sticks home, smoke all you want, but let me eat my meal, have my beer without having a smoke second hand
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pbjosh
Sep 8, 2004, 3:14 PM
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In reply to: How about unattractive people? Should they be prohibited from the places you frequent, so you don't have to be repulsed by their presence? Ugly people don't give you cancer.
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j_ung
Sep 8, 2004, 3:19 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: How about unattractive people? Should they be prohibited from the places you frequent, so you don't have to be repulsed by their presence? Ugly people don't give you cancer. Ugly people scare me. :(
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bumblie
Sep 8, 2004, 3:28 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: How about unattractive people? Should they be prohibited from the places you frequent, so you don't have to be repulsed by their presence? Oh bumblie, your logic is fouled. Unattractive ppl aren't hazardous to my health, but second hand smoke is. I support any ban on smoking in a public place. My son has severe allergies, he cannot enter any establishment that has smoking. Where are his rights? It's amazing how ppl fight/moan/b---- and whine over the rights of smokers.........take your cancer sticks home, smoke all you want, but let me eat my meal, have my beer without having a smoke second hand First off, there is a lot of flawed thinking about the impact of secondhand smoke on adults. Mortality due to secondhand smoke is something like 1/150th as likely smoking casing death in smokers. Secondhand smoke is a nuisance. It's unpleasant to breath and it stinks up your hair and clothes, but the mortality concerns for adults is negligible. We talk about rights... sure your son should be able to eat in a smoke free environment. Go to Chuck E Cheese. Let the marketplace dictate whether or not private businesses decide their own smoking policies. If the majority prefer a smoke-free pubs, the business owners will act accordingly.
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j_ung
Sep 8, 2004, 3:32 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: How about unattractive people? Should they be prohibited from the places you frequent, so you don't have to be repulsed by their presence? Oh bumblie, your logic is fouled. Unattractive ppl aren't hazardous to my health, but second hand smoke is. I support any ban on smoking in a public place. My son has severe allergies, he cannot enter any establishment that has smoking. Where are his rights? It's amazing how ppl fight/moan/b---- and whine over the rights of smokers.........take your cancer sticks home, smoke all you want, but let me eat my meal, have my beer without having a smoke second hand First off, there is a lot of flawed thinking about the impact of secondhand smoke on adults. Mortality due to secondhand smoke is something like 1/200th as likely smoking casing death in smokers. Secondhand smoke is a nuisance. It's unpleasant to breath and it stinks up your hair and clothes, but the mortality concerns for adults is negligible. We talk about rights... sure your son should be able to eat in a smoke free environment. Go to Chuck E Cheese. Let the marketplace dictate whether or not private businesses decide their own smoking policies. If the majority prefer a smoke-free pubs, the business owners will act accordingly. I think I'll agree. I don't frequent clubs/bars that tend to be overly smokey and I'm just fine that way. I don't feel like my rights are impinged in any way. However, somebody should point out that many people work in those environments. I know if somebody lit up in my office, I would have words with him or her.
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tradman
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Your car exhaust fumes cause lung damage, global warming AND immediate environmental pollution. Where's your bleeding heart for all the damage you yourself are causing? Quit being selective. It's not funny and it makes you look silly.
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unabonger
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In reply to: Your car exhaust fumes cause lung damage, global warming AND immediate environmental pollution. Where's your bleeding heart for all the damage you yourself are causing? Quit being selective. It's not funny and it makes you look silly. Well you are missing one point, that'd be that there is absolutely no economic benefit to smoking, an argument you can't make about cars. We accept the environmental and health costs of driving because they are presumably outwieghed by the benefits of being able to drive when we want. So rather than being selective between two analogous issues, I'd say he's being discriminating between two quite different ones. Smoking, well, there just isn't a macroeconomic benefit that justifies the health problems. I feel for mattman in that SC probably has so many inconsiderate, disgusting, foul breathed, yellow teeth smokers that he doesn't have the full choice that you might expect in free market and there are no nonsmoking restaurants. Business owners might surprise themselves if they voluntariily banned smoking in their restaurant and thereby attract people of mattdogman's kind. Even though I think smokers are lower than a snake's belly in a wagon wheel rut, telling a restrauteur that he can't light up in a his own building DOES seem a bit of a property rights breech to me. UB
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vertical_reality
Sep 8, 2004, 4:05 PM
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In reply to: Well you are missing one point, that'd be that there is absolutely no economic benefit to smoking Do you really think there's no economic benefit from smoking? Why do you think it hasn't been made illegal all together? Because the government makes so much money from it. Edit: Read it wrong, thought you said environmental benefit.
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the_pirate
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No one sits on a bar stool for health reasons. No one works in a bar thinking it is a healthy environment. Yet we are lead to believe that banning smoking in bars and clubs is for our own health and the health of the employees. The government plays both sides of the issue; raking in huge tax dollars from cigarette manufacturers and parent companies while funding local level anti-smoking campaigns. The non-smokers are being played against the smokers. No one has to take away your rights when you are willing to give them up to feel like you've won a victory over your neighbor.
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