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cosmokramer
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In reply to: In reply to: N.Y. Times Will Osama Help W.? By MAUREEN DOWD Published: October 31, 2004 Republicans can keep claiming that Al Qaeda wants the "weak" Democrat elected, even as some intelligence experts suggest the terrorists prefer that the belligerent Mr. Bush stay in power because he has been a boon to jihadist recruiting, with his disastrous occupation of Iraq and his true believer, us-versus-them, my-Christian-God's-directing-my-foreign-policy vibe.I find it amazing that the radical hateful Bin Laden, who has always appeared with a gun and offerred nothing but death to us is suddenly appearing behind a desk with measured words. Is he on prozac? Or is he perhaps an actor for the Bush?cheney game of chicken little with the American people. Remember that is Bush who says "he's marginalized", a comment far removed from his promise to hunt him down and put an end to his murdererous ways and Kerrey who says we will go after him and either capture or kill him. I have been for that course of action from the beginning. Mz Dowd goes on to make the situation quite clear: In reply to: The Bushies' campaign pitch follows their usual backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe, you should re-elect us to make you safer. Because we haven't caught Osama in three years, you need us to catch Osama in the next four years. Because we didn't bother to secure explosives in Iraq, you can count on us to make sure those explosives aren't used against you. There was a climbing ad that said "actions are loud". Bush's actions, nonactions in this regard have been a complete roar of his misguided agenda in Iraq.
Oh yes, THE NEW YORK TIMES. Now THERE is a bastion of objective news reporting.
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: N.Y. Times Will Osama Help W.? By MAUREEN DOWD Published: October 31, 2004 Republicans can keep claiming that Al Qaeda wants the "weak" Democrat elected, even as some intelligence experts suggest the terrorists prefer that the belligerent Mr. Bush stay in power because he has been a boon to jihadist recruiting, with his disastrous occupation of Iraq and his true believer, us-versus-them, my-Christian-God's-directing-my-foreign-policy vibe.I find it amazing that the radical hateful Bin Laden, who has always appeared with a gun and offerred nothing but death to us is suddenly appearing behind a desk with measured words. Is he on prozac? Or is he perhaps an actor for the Bush?cheney game of chicken little with the American people. Remember that is Bush who says "he's marginalized", a comment far removed from his promise to hunt him down and put an end to his murdererous ways and Kerrey who says we will go after him and either capture or kill him. I have been for that course of action from the beginning. Mz Dowd goes on to make the situation quite clear: In reply to: The Bushies' campaign pitch follows their usual backward logic: Because we have failed to make you safe, you should re-elect us to make you safer. Because we haven't caught Osama in three years, you need us to catch Osama in the next four years. Because we didn't bother to secure explosives in Iraq, you can count on us to make sure those explosives aren't used against you. There was a climbing ad that said "actions are loud". Bush's actions, nonactions in this regard have been a complete roar of his misguided agenda in Iraq. Oh yes, THE NEW YORK TIMES. Now THERE is a bastion of objective news reporting. |
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hi everbiddy.
on a similar note (as I didn't really want to start a whole new thread), our very own Prezidunt Dubbya Busch is speaking tonight at a event held at my very own SMU (southern millionaire university). I got an email announcing availability of tickets, with this qualifier...
"Tickets will be distributed at the discretion of the Dallas County Republican Party."
Turns out you have to sign loyalty oaths to the Bush dynasty in order to attend.
back to the regular bullschit debate, ed.
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sharpender
Nov 1, 2004, 6:55 PM
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camhead wrote:In reply to: "Tickets will be distributed at the discretion of the Dallas County Republican Party."
I guess Dubya goes to Catholic mass and asks democrats to vote for him only so he can have their votes not cause he might want them to listen to him and join his platform. And he calls Kerry a hypocrite. Therapists call that projection.
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curt
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In reply to: hi everbiddy. on a similar note (as I didn't really want to start a whole new thread), our very own Prezidunt Dubbya Busch is speaking tonight at a event held at my very own SMU (southern millionaire university). I got an email announcing availability of tickets, with this qualifier... "Tickets will be distributed at the discretion of the Dallas County Republican Party."
Well, that means you ain't gettin in, pal. Haha. You'll just have to watch it on TV and cry in your beer.
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sharpender
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cosmokramer wrote:In reply to: oesn't it bother you though that the individual responsible for the deaths of 3000 of your countrymen and carnage in Manhattan wants your guy for president?
It bothers me that that murderer is still at large and your guy dismisses it as "marginalized". He says nada about Osama while Kerrey openly says he's going to go get him. If you were that murderer which one would you want in the oval office? Careful this could be a trick question.
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I like Kerry's stance on the death penalty - He's opposed to it, except for terrorists. :roll:
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curt
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In reply to: cosmokramer wrote: In reply to: oesn't it bother you though that the individual responsible for the deaths of 3000 of your countrymen and carnage in Manhattan wants your guy for president? It bothers me that that murderer is still at large and your guy dismisses it as "marginalized". He says nada about Osama while Kerrey openly says he's going to go get him. If you were that murderer which one would you want in the oval office?
If I were Osama, I would want the guy in office who merely says anything and everything to get himself elected--not the guy who has actually sent his military into two countries to get the bad guys.
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jpearl
Nov 1, 2004, 7:25 PM
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Ding Ding Ding!!!!
Curt wins the prize for nailing the issue right on the head.
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prufrock
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In reply to: Ding Ding Ding!!!! Curt wins the prize for nailing the issue right on the head.
No, curt, and you, win the prize for making whatever contortions you deem necessary to prove to yourself that bin Laden, the mass murder, is on your opponent's side.
Bravo, and impressive performance.
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jumpingrock
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In reply to: In reply to: cosmokramer wrote: In reply to: oesn't it bother you though that the individual responsible for the deaths of 3000 of your countrymen and carnage in Manhattan wants your guy for president? It bothers me that that murderer is still at large and your guy dismisses it as "marginalized". He says nada about Osama while Kerrey openly says he's going to go get him. If you were that murderer which one would you want in the oval office? If I were Osama, I would want the guy in office who merely says anything and everything to get himself elected--not the guy who has actually sent his military into two countries to get the bad guys. Curt
True 'cept he missed virtually every bad guy worth getting. :righton:
Anybody ever watch "Wag the Dog"?
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sharpender
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curt wrote:In reply to: If I were Osama, I would want the guy in office who merely says anything and everything to get himself elected
This, if you can take one iota of critical thinking, is purely opinon, partisan rhetorical bashing and only an indication of what you WANT to believe.
In reply to: not the guy who has actually sent his military into two countries to get the bad guys.
It's sad that you can't see that Iraq had nothing to do with the terrorists attacking America on 9 11. Now however, Iraq acts as a rallying point for those radical Muslims committing terrorism against our troops and civilians in that country. Meanwhile Osama was allowed to slip away and off the radar of the Bush admin.
Further your logic is muddeled. Because you slander Kerry as saying anything and because Bush is in office and sent the troops does not in any way add up to Kerry not sending the troops.
We don't know exactly what Kerry will do, but we have seen all the errors, distortions and mistakes of Bush. I prefer to replace the coach that failed to get the best team to the superbowl to use a sports metaphor.
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thomasribiere
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wow, jpearl, nice comeback!
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In reply to: If I were Osama, I would want the guy in office who merely says anything and everything to get himself elected--not the guy who has actually sent his military into two countries to get the bad guys.
Are you sure you wouldn't want the guy who'd convinced the US to divert almost 100% of the available US fighing force, for a long drawn out commitment in a country with no WMDs and no ties to your terrorist operation?
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Back to what the thread was about.
In reply to: These documents have been PROVEN 100 percent authentic BEFORE their release, unlike those 60 Minutes National Guard documents that CBS refuses to investigate.
From what I read, it didn't sound nearly as damning as the various articles made it sound. It would be ironic though to fault the anti-war crowd with betraying President Nixon when Nixon himself committed treasonous acts by carrying out his own foriegn policy with the North and poisoning the peace talks of Johnson before the 68 elections, but that's another story.
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In reply to: If I were Osama, I would want the guy in office who merely says anything and everything to get himself elected--not the guy who has actually sent his military into two countries to get the bad guys. Curt
You'd make a piss poor terrorist Curt. The point of terrorist acts in to provoke an extreme reaction. OBL knows he can't defeat the United States one building at a time. We actually gave OBL exactly what he wanted, removal of an anti-fundamentalist dictator in Iraq and the exodus of US forces from Saudi Arabia.
Why hasn't anyone mentioned this. OBL's first demand was US forces out of Saudi Arabia and Bush gave right into it?
Guys like Bin Laden and Bush need demons to stand against. When Bush failed at getting Bin Laden, he stopped talking about him and talked Saddam. Then Saddam was captured and he has now created Zarqawi, whose importance is being exaggerated for the sake of having a demon and not identifying the real issues of the insurgency.
See reference on Zarkawi from Boston Globe
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1101-06.htm
OSL isn't worried about staying safe. He fought in Afghanistan, supported by us. Bush never fought anywhere. He might be a blood thirsty terrorist but don't think the thing he wants most is for us to leave him alone.
In fact, to get Bin Laden, we have to push Pakistan to mess with it's semi-independent Northern Provences, which will lead to his assasination, which will lead to a harder line Muslim government in Pakistan. That would make Bin Laden 3 Bush 0. You might give Bush 1/2 point for Afghanistan but since the government there doesn't even remotely control the whole country, it remains to be seen whether freedom will prevail there or not. The only way they are staying afloat economicaly now is by killing more Americans by exporting FAR FAR more heroin than they did during Taliban days
Learn facts. Study details. Don't just swallow party lines
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^ you've made interesting analyses (1st and last chapters) we should all agree with. Of course, it proves Bush administration's policy has failed on this very points (not to say that others would have succeed).
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cosmokramer
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In reply to: He might be a blood thirsty terrorist but don't think the thing he wants most is for us to leave him alone.
Wait so let me get this straight. Are you stating that UBL would rather be hunted than left alone? He likes having predator drones (which Kerry voted to cut) shooting missles (which Kerry also voted to cut) at him and his officers??
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curt
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In reply to: In reply to: Ding Ding Ding!!!! Curt wins the prize for nailing the issue right on the head. No, curt, and you, win the prize for making whatever contortions you deem necessary to prove to yourself that bin Laden, the mass murder, is on your opponent's side. Bravo, and impressive performance.
Really?
In reply to: We should have never invaded Iraq, it was a mistake.
In reply to: If that is what you think, Howard, you are not fit to be President of the United States.
In reply to: If I were President, we would never have invaded Iraq.
Kerry is a total tool who says whatever the polls indicate he should say to get elected. He is incapable of original thought and has no strong convictions, except for his obvious preference for multimillionaire women.
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In reply to: Kerry is a total tool who says whatever the polls indicate he should say to get elected. He is incapable of original thought and has no strong convictions, except for his obvious preference for multimillionaire women.
So what did Iraq have to do with bin Laden, Curt? Absolutely NOTHING
So if you want to misrepresent Kerry's position to show that he will hand the keys over to bin Laden, at least get a clue and do it with the right war: Afghanistan.
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In reply to: except for his obvious preference for multimillionaire women.
And just like that, I'm now a Kerry supporter.
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curt
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In reply to: In reply to: Kerry is a total tool who says whatever the polls indicate he should say to get elected. He is incapable of original thought and has no strong convictions, except for his obvious preference for multimillionaire women. So what did Iraq have to do with bin Laden, Curt? Absolutely NOTHING So if you want to misrepresent Kerry's position to show that he will hand the keys over to bin Laden, at least get a clue and do it with the right war: Afghanistan.
Perhaps until you can argue in some sort of coherent manner, you ought to say nothing. That way, only you will know you're an idiot.
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prufrock
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In reply to: Perhaps until you can argue in some sort of coherent manner, you ought to say nothing. That way, only you will know you're an idiot. Curt
LOL Curt, you were arguing? That empty nonsense you spew is argument? I'll gladly debate the merits of Bush vs Kerry foreign policy, if you would ever try. But I have yet to see you make an honest attempt at arguing on this board. One or two line potshots is all you give.
Thanks, but I won't be taking your advice on how to post. I also couldn't care less if an idiot thinks I am an idiot.
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So OBL thinks Kerry will be better for him and his cause... In my opinion, he's mistaken. Since when is it a good idea to take advice from some yahoo in Afghanistan? If I can disagree with the likes of Curt, I certainly can disagree with OBL.
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curt
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In reply to: In reply to: Perhaps until you can argue in some sort of coherent manner, you ought to say nothing. That way, only you will know you're an idiot. Curt LOL Curt, you were arguing? That empty nonsense you spew is argument? I'll gladly debate the merits of Bush vs Kerry foreign policy, if you would ever try. But I have yet to see you make an honest attempt at arguing on this board. One or two line potshots is all you give. Thanks, but I won't be taking your advice on how to post.
Thanks for proving my point. Most people try not to broadcast their ignorance. Exceptions such as yourself provide good entertainment for the rest of us.
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