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johnhenry
Jan 7, 2005, 3:48 AM
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To each there own... but this cam-strap method is cheap, streamline, and effective.
Let's elaborate a little more on why the cam strap is perhaps better than the "docking tether":
1.)You have a much better chance of yarding the load upward into the the docking position if necessary with 2:1 mechanical advantage. If you have a loop or clip in ring in your cam-strap, you can clip in a sling or aider into it and leg haul it in a stroke to fine tune things. Depending on where you are hauling from, this can be fairly useful.
Can you raise a load with the "docking tether"? { I am not sure. I have ever tried}
2.) There is no way 30' of 10mm rope is lighter than one of these cam-straps.
3.) You can use the thing as a fully functional adjustable daisy, so it's not a one-dementianal piece of gear. If one of your adjustable daisies starts slipping, then you have a backup.
4.)These are great when you go to rappel with a heavy load! Can you reach over and tie into that rap anchor one handed with a munter knot? {Hell maybe you can, but I can't... I just clip the cam stap in.} You can release the load beautifully when you leave the station.
The wal-mart variety cam-straps can be a lot longer than your average adjustable daisy. I am not sure, but 8' seems to be about right. They sell a 800lbs test version in a four pack for about $10 bucks too. It is hard to lose at that price. I was skeptical too at first but imnotcleaver and flamer turned me on to a very useful idea.
Anyhow, try it and see. I can't wait to hit the valley in this april/may and get more (cam) trigger time! I am going to snuggle up and kiss my silent partner now...
Cheers,
john
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holdplease2
Jan 7, 2005, 3:54 AM
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I wish I could find a silent partner.
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-Kate.
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glockaroo
Jan 7, 2005, 2:54 PM
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In reply to: 2.) There is no way 30' of 10mm rope is lighter than one of these cam-straps. john
But usually you still need a 30' piece of SOMETHING to lower the bag out, and (something) is lighter than (cam buckle strap + something). I can lift a tethered bag quickly using my rap device and 1 biner. And I still don't understand how tying a munter-mule is slow or difficult. Whatever.
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flamer
Jan 7, 2005, 5:02 PM
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In reply to: 4 - One would never attempt or have a need for it. The bag is on your belay loop, you clip the pig and to an anchor with a short sling, then clip aiders (with daisies) into two points and relax into them. Step up to next rung and stand up to unweight bag. If you're rapping with a bag, you most likely have dumped your water. Or should.
Do you seriously rap with a pig like this??? Do your boys ever get damaged??
I learned a long time ago how to properly ride the pig, and using the ADC on that swine makes it a breeze....
josh
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lambone
Jan 7, 2005, 7:25 PM
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most boring thread ever
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flamer
Jan 7, 2005, 8:01 PM
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In reply to: most boring thread ever
HaHa! It's your thread!!
I was just reading your post in the video thread...here's a question for you...Are you totally set in your ways??? It sure seems like everytime someone has a new or different way to do things you start by talking trash......
josh
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lambone
Jan 7, 2005, 8:44 PM
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haha, yeah I know it's my thread. just funny that it turned into 3 pages of how to atatch a haulbag to the wall. it's cool whatever...no offense intended. It's just how this web site is..."blue is the coolest color chalk bag"...."no way bro, green is way more dope" "no way man..."
and on and on add infinitum.
no, I'm not set in my ways. my climbing has changed and evolved alot over the years. started with John longs basics, which remain my foundation, but have added and subtracted much inbetween. for instance, tried short-fixing for the first time not too long ago and loved it.
it's not your cam bucle or daisychain rig that I disagree with flamer. i don't think its a bad idea whatsoever, If you like it then I am happy for you.
it is more a theoretical debate over which is better, complexity or simplicity. in my veiw adding more components to the system adds complexity. I like simplicity. one rope and one knot is abouut as simple as it gets right? does it have dissadvantages, maybe...but none that I can tell.
I stand by what I said before that being able to tie a munter-mule blind folded, one handed, is a half second without thinking about it is a valuable skill to have. someday, godforbid you are in a situation where you need to escape a belay and lower your partner off a wall you will end up using the knot about 100 times. and it just helps if it is a natural second nature type of thing, just like tying into the sharp end with a figure 8.
docking a haulbag on a big wall with on means you'll tie it at least a few times a day and maybe 30 times over the course of the climb. good practice IMHO.
cheers
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iamthewallress
Jan 7, 2005, 8:45 PM
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In reply to: I wish I could find a silent partner.
:P
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