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bsmoot


Feb 18, 2005, 8:32 AM
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Dangle: In my last post I was simply trying to get you to tell, in your own words, what happened. I thought I was doing you a service. Instead, as usual, you get all defensive and negative on everything. You said:

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Brian Smoot has played the role of a slippery weasel. He made a ludicrous suggestion that as a secular jew I shouldn't object to swastikas. He inferred that I had slighted the mormons in mentioning John D. Lee. He also incorrectly suggested that I had objected to the rescue crew using my rope to find what might still be a live boy scout. Already in the Monkeyfinger tale he has admitted to a critical omission yet he continues to employ this tactic.

Your post is full of narrative embellishment, and you are one mislead reader!

-I never said that secular jews shouldn't object to swastikas! You are putting YOUR words in my mouth. I was simply trying to get you forgive and move on.

-Neither did I say that the boy scout might still be alive (where in the heck did that come from?) If you read the very first of the post, I stated that he had been killed.

-If you will re-read my post, I never suggested that you objected to using your ropes for the rescue, either.

-Oh, so now you say that I am dishonest because I don't recall that Terry smoked pot with you on Monkeyfinger? And you call that critical?..... LOL! Remember, I was telling MY story, not yours.


M I S L E A D I N G N A R R A T I V E G A P


Dangle, I was simply trying to make peace with you but you are so thin skinned and ultra sensitive that it seems impossible. You've been a victim of your own negativity. You've got to move on.


Partner cracklover


Feb 18, 2005, 8:40 AM
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Dangle: In my last post I was simply trying to get you to tell, in your own words, what happened.

And that he did... in his own unique fashion.

Keep 'em coming!

GO


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OK, back from socializing and biz (my broker's going to Papua New Guinea), but I'm still waiting for instructions on the quote thing to do the list.
Still, Mr. BS deserves two questions.
What was the narrow minded comment about John D. Lee?
Can you explain your comment,"they ran into some fixed ropes which they used to reach the boy." along with, "using your fixed ropes for the rescue", in light of the details provided?

Mr. BS protests the criticism of narrative gaps because its "his" story.

Is it just me or isn't "narrative gap" a euphemism for "lie of omission"?

Since Brian has read my posts carefully he has chosen to lecture me because he is prepared to shoulder his share of the costs. Is that a half or just a third Brian? After all only a week ago I dealt with an antisemitic outburst from a friend of Dean's whereas your complaints are OVER A QUARTER OF A CENTURY OLD.

Isn't it just a tad bit hypocritical for YOU to tell ME to put it behind me you sanctimonious liar.


Ah yes, Smootheimer's disorder. This particular form of dementia is characterized by vertical disorientation and mild hallucinations. The victims often imagine they're on a high ledge and able to look down on anyone they chose even if those are actually higher. The victim often also imagine that they see things where their vision is actually quite limited (see above).

Stay tuned for a description of Busheimer's as well as a new super hero, Recall Boy, whose cape predictably is brown. Brian in light of yesterday's news stories; where you a boy scout?

I can't believe I got a highly rated post that involved farting, or did nobody understand when I said,"just as the windbreaker looks nothing like a musical instrument..."


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Feb 19, 2005, 4:48 PM
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Just as I shared a story concerning Mr. Olevsky...which pointed out his kindness towards me...I would like to share a similair story concerning Mr. Smoot.

Brain put up a route on the backside of the Great white throne a couple of years ago (maybe only 1?). I Pm'd him showing interest in repeating his route.
Without hesitation he mailed(as in postal service) me a topo and supplied me with any beta I asked for.

So, without getting involved in any of the friction going on here, I'd just like to say thanks Brian... I hope to return the favor some day.

josh


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so for example if I was to commit a lie of omission quoting the above I could come up with;

"I would like to share a story concerning Mr. Smoot.
Brian put up the backside of me without any friction and without hesitation with any kindness I asked for.
I'd just like to say thanks Brian....I hope to return the favor some day."


dangle


Feb 19, 2005, 6:35 PM
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Well its Saturday night and time to go out, but there are questions yet to be answered like;

Brian, does your bishop know?

And what is Busheimer's?

And what are Recall Boy's super powers?

And is Ron Olevsky really the Terror of Zion?

Or is Dave Jones just the Terrier of Zion?

And just what "kindnesses" did Josh ask for......?


ratagonia


Feb 19, 2005, 7:34 PM
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El Deuce said: "How about the Rockhouse in Springdale? No better climber's institution existed save possibly for Camp 4 in my climbing experience. The Rock House was built in the days of the CCC, during the time when unemployed depression workers built the great trails of Zion: Angel's Landing, the Watchman trail, Observation Point. The same incredible craftsmanship and fine stonework of these trails was used to build some unique homes in Springdale, the Rock House being one of them."

Not real pertinent to the thread, but...

The great trails in Zion (West Rim, East Rim, Gateway to the Narrows, Lady Mtn) were built in 1925. Angel's Landing 1926. Hidden Canyon 1928.

The tunnel was completed in 1930, with quite a workforce living in Pine Creek canyon for 2 years. Stone masons were employed building that beautiful bridge over Pine Creek, and building the retaining walls that have done remarkably well for 75 years. Seems like the Rock House was probably built just after that. There's also some outstanding stone houses in Rockville and Toquerville.

Enjoying the thread. I'm thinking of a book. Called "A True History of Zion Climbing" by Ron. Turn the book over, and you have a book going the other way "A True History of Zion Climbing" by DJ. Ha.

TJ (no relation)


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Feb 19, 2005, 8:20 PM
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Hey Tom,

it was good talking to you in SLC.

Well I busted out of the game first. The cards didn't like me tonight but it was nice to see Donna Carter stop by (she proposed to me 27 years ago and is still a hotty).

Perhaps TJ oversimplifies. There could be many more versions...


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Based on what you've posted here, Ed, I think Brian is making a mountain out of a molehill, but I'll go read more of the thread and see if that changes anything.

But yeah... Ron did preface it by explaining "If I wanted to create a lie..."

Off to read.


no_one


Feb 20, 2005, 10:22 AM
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Well I busted out of the game first. The cards didn't like me tonight
Hey Ron, it was good to see ya lastnight. Thanks for the money!
That's two in a row!


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Hey Ron, it was good to see ya lastnight. Thanks for the money!
That's two in a row!
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Saying this might incur the Wrath, but does this prove that Dangle isn't playing with a full deck? Just kidding man - its just a funny play on words. I wouldn't want to get challenged to a duel, or worse - a lie detector test.

Ratagonia, your info about the construction in Zion reminds me of a patient I had when I first moved back to slc. She grew up in Mt Carmel and her dad was the tram operator during the construction. They lived down in the canyon for several years. Around her 16th birthday one of the guys in Mt Carmel asked her on a date and they went on a hike. He said he wanted to climb Checkerboard Mtn and she didn't know better and said allright. She said they made it all the way up and over, but were super spooked near the top as it gets steeper. She also said doing that in heavy leather boots made it even spookier as they kept slipping on the sandy rock. Took them all night to bushwhack back around and down to their truck.

She's a great resource for little out of the way things to do in the area. Knowing people like her makes it a lot more real for me.


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Tenesmus;

High Noon!

Mousetraps at two meters.

(I told Steve the deck felt a bit shy, but he said not to worry and that all the cards were "at the table".)


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(I told Steve the deck felt a bit shy, but he said not to worry and that all the cards were "at the table".)
Funny thing is, he didn't even realize that I won every hand!
Sssshhhh, don't tell anyone, but that's not completly true. I'd hate to get cought in the middle of this honesty debate. I mean heck! It's almost been 23 hours since that game. I can't remember everything.


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Truth is, I was thinking about going all in KNOWING that my full boat of 4s over 3s wasn't enough. Just wasn't my kind of table save for Steve and Chris. I was however willing to make an exception for Mandy.

Hey, what happened to my "requote" of flamer?? Well I'll just have to polish it up. It couldn't be that the guy who just lectured me on skin thickness had a post in which he was the "butt" of the humor pulled could it?

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