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maxclimber1w
Jan 16, 2005, 6:32 AM
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A friend of mine spent some time in Bishop last fall, and he said he saw lots of Climbers for Christ (www.srcfc.org) there, sending V3 and V4. We'd laugh about how the climbers powered by the power of christ send V3, while satanical, skulleted, doll-dismembering Jason Kehl sends V14 with the power of the devil! heh... anyway
(This is not an indicator of my personal religous beliefs or feelings. Its a joke)
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phatcat
Jan 16, 2005, 7:07 AM
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hahaha..thats a good call.
man did you open a can of worms though...i predict...17 pages of flame...
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salamanizer
Jan 16, 2005, 7:32 AM
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17 pages of flame in the bouldering section?... I doubt it.
And didnt you know, the body's much lighter without a soul, sold mine for a hefewezin and bag of jalipino potato chips at the leap last year. Been climbing much better ever sence. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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tattooed_climber
Jan 16, 2005, 8:31 AM
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In reply to: A friend of mine spent some time in Bishop last fall, and he said he saw lots of Climbers for Christ (www.srcfc.org) there, sending V3 and V4. We'd laugh about how the climbers powered by the power of christ send V3, while satanical, skulleted, doll-dismembering Jason Kehl sends V14 with the power of the devil! heh... anyway (This is not an indicator of my personal religous beliefs or feelings. Its a joke)
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
everytime in the community, when i make a religion comment trolling the christians i get 14 pages of flame!.......thats not fare!!!!!!!!!! you deserve better....you deserve flaming when you troll......
TROLL ON BROTHER!
here's alittle tip....it takes a few years to learn, but i'll give it away....when trolling: don't tell them that its a joke........
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mastheadmike
Jan 16, 2005, 8:34 AM
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I wouldn't have settled for anything less than a barleywine for a soul! Or maybe an aged abbey like Chimay...
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Don't worry, I'm not attempting to flame you guys.
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I do think it's really great to see an organization like Climbers for Christ in action. Outdoor activites like climbing, hiking, biking, whatever; they're all a great way to connect to people and make a positive impact on the world. As a Christian I thank God often for the ability I have to climb. As an Adventure Ed. major I make recreation and outdoor activites a part of my life that I share with other people. Maybe I should find more out about Climber for Christ. Whenever I hear about an organization trying to help troubled teens with a "wilderness experience" or a group like Climbers for Christ, I'm glad to see people doing good things with this sport.
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godskid5
Jan 16, 2005, 2:10 PM
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well you know, us christians have the weight of trying to save the world on us. it gets kind of heavy you know. i am glad to hear some of us broke the v2 barrier!
seriously though, solid rock climbers for christ is a great organization. we go to crags all over the us and do great things. like give any climber who wants it a free breakfast!!!! no strings attached. we also give away lots of gear at every event. also no strings attached. if you want to come over, eat some food, put your name into a drawing and leave without ever looking at us, so be it. our point is just to be their and serve you with the love of christ, which means, we do not expect anything in return. of course we always hope to have a chance to sit and talk to anyone who would like it, it is not required.
you would be surprised and how many climbers their are who belive in Christ and live every day of their lives for HIM.
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Jan 16, 2005, 2:24 PM
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In reply to: I wouldn't have settled for anything less than a barleywine for a soul! Or maybe an aged abbey like Chimay...
I tried to sell mine to climb 5.12 trad, but I got talked down to measely a high five. It may not seem like all that good a deal, what with other guys reeling in cases of good beer and all, but I haven't felt of ounce of guilt for anything since that moment! :D My friend, however, who paid said high five for my soul, has had nothing but trouble with it. Oh well, no refund, no return.
godskid5 and fire-master, I commend you on your mature responses to this thread. It's nice to see that we can all take a good-natured poke or two at our respective beliefs.
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andy_reagan
Jan 16, 2005, 2:38 PM
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The grades are what we should be focusing on, yes, yes, very important grades, the grades are very important, yes, yes.
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glyrocks
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I sold my soul to Cingular.
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Reminds me of a mildly amusing incident. Some friends and I were at a local crag early one Sunday afternoon, lounging around and setting up a rappel when we heard a large crowd coming up the walk-up to the top. Turned out to be a church youth group, which ignored us and proceded to fan out along the overlook, interrupting our setup and ooo-ing and ah-ing over the glorious view of creation spread out before them. As we waited patiently for them to leave, they started to talk about the logistics of holding a service right there at the top of the rock, and how edifyting that would be. A very serious discussion entailed concerning the logistics of how to get the organ up the 45-minute approach and hoist it to the top using ropes and a pulley. They then noticed that we had a rope and asked our opinion. We advised against it and pointed out that they would need electricity, which greatly disappointed them. This was before generators were commonly available. Though none of us had any particular gripe with religion, the naivitee was still pretty astounding. The running joke for a long time afterward was "Yeah, next time let's bring the organ!"
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dingus
Jan 16, 2005, 5:14 PM
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I joined "Climbers FerChristsake!" just last month. We are a very unrecognized and poorly organized group (like a herd of cats), hence the name.
Um... just WHO ARE you guys anyway???
"We're CLIMBERS Ferchristsakes!"
You will definintely see members of our far flung group at the crags.
DMT
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sekcot
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Ha! I just have to say this is the funniest forum I've come across! Thank you for making my day!
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napoleon_in_rags
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I don't have a problem with climbers for christ as long as theydon't start looking at climbing the way certain pentacostal churches look at snake handling.
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godskid5
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In reply to: I don't have a problem with climbers for christ as long as theydon't start looking at climbing the way certain pentacostal churches look at snake handling. |
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In reply to: In reply to: I don't have a problem with climbers for christ as long as theydon't start looking at climbing the way certain pentacostal churches look at snake handling. what?
Snake handling is something that has "struck" (haha..) some sects of the Pentecostal church in the early 20th century, and derives from some interpreting literally the passage in Mark 16:17-18, when Jesus speaks as such: "And these signs will accompany those who believe: by using my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes in their hands, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them..." Therefore, some have interpreted this passage literally, and in some translations of the Bible this passage does not even appear, because it is absent in two of the oldest manuscripts. Anyway, some leaders of the Pentecostal church in Appalachia decided to begin handling various poisonous snakes and the congregations followed suit, and those that were bitten were often shunned by the church. It was supposed to be the mark of great faith if you were kept safe.
We could perhaps extend this to rock climbing, by having those professing the Christian faith to crank off the occasional free solo, and those that die were not strong believers. Perhaps this was what napoleon_in_rags was referring to.
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Jan 16, 2005, 8:59 PM
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As a Christian, I'm stoked to hear about such an organization. I didn't even know it existed.
As for saying that Christians send weak problems,...that's pretty lame. Jesus powered me two days ago during my trip in J-Tree. I on sighted a V9 and did The Nicole Problem V8. I have been thanking the Lord ever since because it wasn't me alone on the rock. Also when I was sketched out on a .10b R with only gear.
The teachings of Christ are good and pure; His power outweighs evil.
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In reply to: We could perhaps extend this to rock climbing, by having those professing the Christian faith to crank off the occasional free solo, and those that die were not strong believers. Perhaps this was what napoleon_in_rags was referring to.
Yes, I have a strange sense of humor. I was a religious studies major for a while in college. I attended a pentacostal church that had snake handling in Louisiana once. It was different. They were good people but the experience was a strange one.
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maxclimber1w
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On a more serious note, I do worship in the "temple of the mountains", and have nothing but respect for christians who see the world outside the church as part of gods world, and holy.
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As simply a climber (and only co-incidentally a born again and again atheist). I personally always find it somewhat annoying when organizations of any stripe or agenda decide to latch on to climbing or when some subset of people who climb suddenly organize around something other than climbing. Both seem fairly parasitic and distracting from an activity that has always had its roots in a determined, if not depraved, individualism and general distain and disregard for organizations.
The last time I saw jesus going climbing was decades ago when a very experienced friend gave his rack to another friend pronouncing "from now on the lord is doing my leading...!". We laughed our asses off until we realized he was dead serious - somehow we had missed his overnight conversion. But it turns out there was method to his madness in that he couldn't get a date let alone get laid to save his life before "seeing the light" - next thing we know he his suddenly top roping one spectacularly good looking jesus freak girl after another from the "Upon this rock" coffee house. Why, he turned in to a veritable stud, sleeping with what appeared to be an endless parade of girlfriends for christ. Years later I heard he became a minister and a flock of shee...I mean congregation somewhere up north...
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Jan 16, 2005, 10:47 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: I don't have a problem with climbers for christ as long as theydon't start looking at climbing the way certain pentacostal churches look at snake handling. what? Snake handling is something that has "struck" (haha..) some sects of the Pentecostal church in the early 20th century, and derives from some interpreting literally the passage in Mark 16:17-18, when Jesus speaks as such: "And these signs will accompany those who believe: by using my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes in their hands, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them..." Therefore, some have interpreted this passage literally, and in some translations of the Bible this passage does not even appear, because it is absent in two of the oldest manuscripts. Anyway, some leaders of the Pentecostal church in Appalachia decided to begin handling various poisonous snakes and the congregations followed suit, and those that were bitten were often shunned by the church. It was supposed to be the mark of great faith if you were kept safe. We could perhaps extend this to rock climbing, by having those professing the Christian faith to crank off the occasional free solo, and those that die were not strong believers. Perhaps this was what napoleon_in_rags was referring to. |
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In reply to: As a Christian, I'm stoked to hear about such an organization. I didn't even know it existed. As for saying that Christians send weak problems,...that's pretty lame. Jesus powered me two days ago during my trip in J-Tree. I on sighted a V9 and did The Nicole Problem V8. I have been thanking the Lord ever since because it wasn't me alone on the rock. Also when I was sketched out on a .10b R with only gear. The teachings of Christ are good and pure; His power outweighs evil.
Well... I am sorry, but I don't think that what you described is a valid climbing practice. It is not fair: if I climb a V9, I have to do it alone, while you to that with Christ helping... not fair. So... either I get the permission of having a friend helping too (for example I could jump on his shoulder and get directly to the good hold) otherwise I believe that Christian should cut their grades by half!
V8 for a pagan = V4 for a Christian
V12 for a pagan = V6 for a Christian
I'll come out soon with a structured proposal for sport grades too.
Sounds just about right... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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In reply to: As simply a climber (and only co-incidentally a born again and again atheist). I personally always find it somewhat annoying when organizations of any stripe or agenda decide to latch on to climbing or when some subset of people who climb suddenly organize around something other than climbing. ...
we are not "latching onto" anything. as for srcfc, we are a bunch of people who were already climbers. we are also christians. we decided to put the two together. it seems natural, we love christ, we love climbing. we love to share our loves with others (christ and climbing, lets not get rude here). we dont try to force anyone to listen to us talk about christ, nor do we try to force anyone to listen to us talk about climbing. if you saw me at the crag one day (we are both from pdx area) you would not know me from anyone else. unless i happened to be wearing my srcfc shirt! or you heard me and my friends talking about christ. if i got to know you at the crag, i would probably bring the subject up but if you let me know you werent interested, that would be the end of it. but i would still be happy to climb with you.
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godskid5
Jan 16, 2005, 10:55 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: As a Christian, I'm stoked to hear about such an organization. I didn't even know it existed. As for saying that Christians send weak problems,...that's pretty lame. Jesus powered me two days ago during my trip in J-Tree. I on sighted a V9 and did The Nicole Problem V8. I have been thanking the Lord ever since because it wasn't me alone on the rock. Also when I was sketched out on a .10b R with only gear. The teachings of Christ are good and pure; His power outweighs evil. Well... I am sorry, but I don't think that what you described is a valid climbing practice. It is not fair: if I climb a V9, I have to do it alone, while you to that with Christ helping... not fair. So... either I get the permission of having a friend helping too (for example I could jump on his shoulder and get directly to the good hold) otherwise I believe that Christian should cut their grades by half! V8 for a pagan = V4 for a Christian V12 for a pagan = V6 for a Christian I'll come out soon with a structured proposal for sport grades too. Sounds just about right... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
nice. thats good. athough either christ is not helping me or i am just such a poor climber that even with his help i cant get above a 5.9 or 10!!
maybe its just that my faith isn't as strong as i thought it was? bummer
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happyfra
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Ooops... as a foreigner I though America is the land of separation between State and Church... maybe it would be good to separate Crag and Church too!
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