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krusher4
Feb 25, 2009, 2:44 PM
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Heading to Yosemite soon wanted to know how well The Rock Empire Cams "Robotz" protect the cracks there? Also if anyone knows how well to their micro cams fit in the pin scars? Thank you in advance.
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devkrev
Feb 25, 2009, 10:14 PM
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I'm sure they will work great, buy a double set.
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evanwish
Feb 26, 2009, 12:58 AM
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might get lauged at, but hey i'd take them too! ha
I'm not sure on the pin scars tho...
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johnwesely
Feb 26, 2009, 1:56 AM
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I bought a #5 off of ebay for ten bucks. It is the worst cam ever. The action sucks. The head is scarily narrow. and the trigger pinches my finger. You can get trango cams for 50 a piece instead of 38 a piece and they are much better. I still use the Rock Empire cam because I do not have another #3, and it has worked fine.
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Craggmire
Feb 26, 2009, 6:59 AM
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johnwesely wrote: I bought a #5 off of ebay for ten bucks. It is the worst cam ever. The action sucks. The head is scarily narrow. and the trigger pinches my finger. You can get trango cams for 50 a piece instead of 38 a piece and they are much better. I still use the Rock Empire cam because I do not have another #3, and it has worked fine.
I don't know about the the robots but I have Durangos and they're decent...not great, decent. The larger ones do tend to have issues, they're quite the walkers.
Dirtbag it dude! get up the route with your RE's and have as much fun as anyone else with there BDs or WCs. The only thing i'd start upgrading for is better range.
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johnwesely
Feb 26, 2009, 12:25 PM
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Craggmire wrote: johnwesely wrote: I bought a #5 off of ebay for ten bucks. It is the worst cam ever. The action sucks. The head is scarily narrow. and the trigger pinches my finger. You can get trango cams for 50 a piece instead of 38 a piece and they are much better. I still use the Rock Empire cam because I do not have another #3, and it has worked fine. guess what? if its the RE Flex (a.k.a Durangos stateside) and you're talking about the Trango Flex they're the same cam, built in the same factory. I don't know about the the robots but I have Durangos and they're decent...not great, decent. The larger ones do tend to have issues, they're quite the walkers. Dirtbag it dude! get up the route with your RE's and have as much fun as anyone else with there BDs or WCs. The only thing i'd start upgrading for is better range.
They are actually not the same cam. The durango is an old version of the flex cam that has really narrow head widths and lacks the refinements of the trango cams.
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coolcat83
Feb 26, 2009, 12:37 PM
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johnwesely wrote: Craggmire wrote: johnwesely wrote: I bought a #5 off of ebay for ten bucks. It is the worst cam ever. The action sucks. The head is scarily narrow. and the trigger pinches my finger. You can get trango cams for 50 a piece instead of 38 a piece and they are much better. I still use the Rock Empire cam because I do not have another #3, and it has worked fine. guess what? if its the RE Flex (a.k.a Durangos stateside) and you're talking about the Trango Flex they're the same cam, built in the same factory. I don't know about the the robots but I have Durangos and they're decent...not great, decent. The larger ones do tend to have issues, they're quite the walkers. Dirtbag it dude! get up the route with your RE's and have as much fun as anyone else with there BDs or WCs. The only thing i'd start upgrading for is better range. They are actually not the same cam. The durango is an old version of the flex cam that has really narrow head widths and lacks the refinements of the trango cams.
correct the new flex cams are, well, new, I have a set and like them, got mine for $32-34 each on sale, even at retail they are only listed as $44-49 at mgear
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krusher4
Feb 26, 2009, 2:29 PM
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thanks for the advice everyone. For cams I have 2 sets of the RE including the micro's and 1 full set of BD C4's and 2 4inch WC. I was thinking about buying more C4's but I think I'll just stay where I am. Thanks again
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kmc
Feb 26, 2009, 6:05 PM
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You have overthree sets of cams and are looking to get more? I would think if you have two sets of those cams that you would have a pretty good idea of how well they work in most placements at this point. So with all that gear you will be aiding?
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evanwish
Feb 27, 2009, 1:19 AM
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johnwesely wrote: I bought a #5 off of ebay for ten bucks. It is the worst cam ever. The action sucks. The head is scarily narrow. and the trigger pinches my finger. You can get trango cams for 50 a piece instead of 38 a piece and they are much better. I still use the Rock Empire cam because I do not have another #3, and it has worked fine.
yeah thats the main problem with their larger sizes.. i rarely rarely rrarely use that cam, but the other issues never seemed to bother me..
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adatesman
Feb 27, 2009, 1:53 AM
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evanwish
Feb 27, 2009, 2:13 AM
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hahahaah ohh of course.... i should have thought of that earlier...
ha no really i never thought of that.. really interesting though.. hey i've got an idea for a posible new variation of cam, you wanna make it?
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evanwish
Feb 27, 2009, 5:08 AM
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funny thing is him replacing the axles probably makes it stronger so no need for the warranty! lol
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devkrev
Feb 27, 2009, 12:33 PM
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angry wrote: adatesman wrote: If you're not opposed to modifying gear, its not that hard to replace the axle with a longer Metric shoulder bolt like the one used in the Dirtbag Approach to Cam Building over in The Lab. Just throw a couple washers on either side of the head to make up the difference and you're on the way. Probably wouldn't be more than a couple bucks to do it, but obviously voids the warranty...  Doesn't taking the tags off also void the warranty?
Yeah, its just like mattresses, if you take off the tags you are committing a federal offence or something.
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johnwesely
Feb 27, 2009, 12:37 PM
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Could you do that with the comet or only the durango?
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johnwesely
Feb 27, 2009, 12:39 PM
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devkrev wrote: Yeah, its just like mattresses, if you take off the tags you are committing a federal offence or something. dev
It is only a federal offense if you take the tag off before you buy it. You are actually supposed to take the tag off after you buy it, so that people will always know that they are not buying a used bed.
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adatesman
Feb 27, 2009, 2:39 PM
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johnwesely
Feb 27, 2009, 3:15 PM
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I don't know why I said comet. I meant the Robot. Looking at the cam right now, It seems that I would have to create a new trigger. That seems like it would be a huge pain so I probably will not try, but I doubt I could make the trigger any worse than it is.
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adatesman
Feb 27, 2009, 3:34 PM
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dingus
Feb 27, 2009, 3:50 PM
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That cam in the pic looks exactly like my DMM 4-cam; down to the last detail.
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Feb 27, 2009, 4:06 PM
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dingus
Feb 27, 2009, 4:32 PM
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I suspect that's the new 4-cam. Just like with Mal's design, the one you showed above looks like my older DMMs, the previous generation.
No biggie if it is or is not a copy. If a cam goes in a crack, catches a fall and doesn't explode in the process, its got most of the basics in place.
Cheers
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k.l.k
Feb 27, 2009, 4:45 PM
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dingus wrote: I suspect that's the new 4-cam. Just like with Mal's design, the one you showed above looks like my older DMMs, the previous generation. No biggie if it is or is not a copy. If a cam goes in a crack, catches a fall and doesn't explode in the process, its got most of the basics in place. Cheers DMT
I'm not down with this. At all. For a start, as you know, there is more to it than will it explode or not-- how smooth the action, how well it places, how well it resists "walking."
More, unless I knew for certain that it was a DMM copy, to DMM specs, with equivalent materials, not sourced from some random, about-to-go-down-the-tubez machine supplier in inner China, and built by someone competent, there's no way I'd save ten bucks on a lowball cam.
I don't know any of those things about RE, and neither, apparently, does anyone else on this thread.
I know that Trango and BD's margins on technical gear are ridiculously low. How are these folks cutting thirty percent off the top?
Maybe they're fine. I don't know anyone who climbs with them.
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