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mushroom


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last sunday 4 bums were awoken from their sweet dreams of all your valley favorites by a flashlight and a $175 ticket. beware.

if you're sleeping bag isn't going to be tagged during your visit, you have been warned: Pinky and her droogs are on the look out.

that is all.


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i've never been there. what are the regulations? what exactly were they doing that earned a ticket?


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bandit camping.

camp 4 limit is 7 days a summer.

however for $300 a night you can stay at the Awahnee hotel, the local 5 star hotel located in the heart of a national park, for as long as you want.


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Sleeping on the wall with intent to make upward progress is also defacto unlimited. My solution has been to bivy on BLM outside the park while fixing, then spend the rest of my nights on the wall. Works great if you're into walls, not so great for you free climbing monkey's.


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is sleeping in a car or van ok or is that also bandit camping?


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Bandit!!!


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mushroom wrote:

camp 4 limit is 7 days a summer.
You can move out and then wait in line again for another weeklong stay, correct?


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climbingnoise wrote:
is sleeping in a car or van ok or is that also bandit camping?
Actually, it's considered a worse offense, with a bigger fine. The only sleeping in a vehicle that is allowed is in a designated campsite.

[Edit: for clarification of sleeping in car regs.]


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from my understanding while i was there this May it is a 7 day limit ALL summer! So you can stay 4 days in May and come back later in July and only have 3 days, or any sort of combo that adds up to 7 in total

sucks


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When demand exceeds supply, there are two ways to bring them in line: increase prices or ration.

Just wait until the government controls access to health care, it will make the DMV look efficient.


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A couple quick pointers.
Crane Flats Campground is 15 miles outside the valley, and is pretty open except Fri and Sat.
I also believe there is a bare bones FS camp ground just outside the West entrance called Dirt Flat or something.


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go with a partner. Pay for one week. When your week is up, have your partner pay for the next. This gets you two weeks.

As long as you climb almost every day, this works. If you bum around camp and slackline, boulder, or chillax, you will get recognized.

This is your best bet if you don't want to get aggro.

Yosemite sucks in the summer anyway.


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I was in the next campsite over when this happened. I woke up to Pinky's voice saying "Excuse me sir, I need to talk to you." and then calling for more rangers. It was 1:50 am, just after the bear rangers had done their rounds. I had to grab my gear and make a quick break for it.


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donald949 wrote:
A couple quick pointers.
Crane Flats Campground is 15 miles outside the valley, and is pretty open except Fri and Sat.
I also believe there is a bare bones FS camp ground just outside the West entrance called Dirt Flat or something.

Crane flat is still in the nat'l park and the spending limit (i believe - they took my ID, but maybe just because I'm a young punk) might still apply there.

There's ways around things.... depends on how much of a scumbag you want to feel. Angry's method is in the 'no harm no foul' arena, although when I crammed myself, Matt, Tyler and J into a three man tent it seemed kinda hokey.

Other options that are far less desirable are to sleep under rocks, date a curry employee (fun until you get the 'hepatite for destruction')(extra bro points if she is over 200lbs), camp in el portal (my favorite actually), and just stay awake for your whole visit. After seven straight days of being awake you climb better, but you also aren't really climbing, just running around el cap meadow naked screaming about how you're an angel and el cap is your midwife. Somethign like that.

140 am i need sleeeeeeep where's my ride


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I couldn't get in when I took my daughter there in May.
I'm going back to winter only trips.


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josephgdawson wrote:
When demand exceeds supply, there are two ways to bring them in line: increase prices or ration.

Just wait until the government controls access to health care, it will make the DMV look efficient.

Good thing health care access is controlled by profit-oriented corporations. They make not getting sick at all the best option, but if you want you can pay another 20 dollars a month for ass lube when you do get sick.


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el_layclimber wrote:
josephgdawson wrote:
When demand exceeds supply, there are two ways to bring them in line: increase prices or ration.

Just wait until the government controls access to health care, it will make the DMV look efficient.

Good thing health care access is controlled by profit-oriented corporations. They make not getting sick at all the best option, but if you want you can pay another 20 dollars a month for ass lube when you do get sick.

Name one thing the gov. does better than private industry....heck, the USPS had to contract with Fed Ex to get packages moved around. When Fed Ex can do it for them, make a profit, and still it costs less than the gov. doing it themselves, there's your clue as to what gov. health insurance will be like. My Canadian friend, a doc, brought his dad here to the states and paid cash to have a stint put in. He would have died waiting for it in Canada. The only thing socialized medicine will do is give lazy bums the same level of insurance that hard working people have, yeah. I've had to scrounge for my own insurance since I was 19, so I know it can be done.


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dynosore wrote:
el_layclimber wrote:
josephgdawson wrote:
When demand exceeds supply, there are two ways to bring them in line: increase prices or ration.

Just wait until the government controls access to health care, it will make the DMV look efficient.

Good thing health care access is controlled by profit-oriented corporations. They make not getting sick at all the best option, but if you want you can pay another 20 dollars a month for ass lube when you do get sick.

Name one thing the gov. does better than private industry....heck, the USPS had to contract with Fed Ex to get packages moved around. When Fed Ex can do it for them, make a profit, and still it costs less than the gov. doing it themselves, there's your clue as to what gov. health insurance will be like. My Canadian friend, a doc, brought his dad here to the states and paid cash to have a stint put in. He would have died waiting for it in Canada. The only thing socialized medicine will do is give lazy bums the same level of insurance that hard working people have, yeah. I've had to scrounge for my own insurance since I was 19, so I know it can be done.
Well, when I was between jobs (read NO income) COBRA coverage was costing $1,000 a month.
Yeah, it can be done. For a while. Maybe.


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dynosore wrote:
el_layclimber wrote:
josephgdawson wrote:
When demand exceeds supply, there are two ways to bring them in line: increase prices or ration.

Just wait until the government controls access to health care, it will make the DMV look efficient.

Good thing health care access is controlled by profit-oriented corporations. They make not getting sick at all the best option, but if you want you can pay another 20 dollars a month for ass lube when you do get sick.

Name one thing the gov. does better than private industry....
How about make wars? Or maybe maintaining a civil and criminal court system? Or maybe educate people from kindergarten through university at a rate that makes it affordable to more than just the richest people in the country?
Or maybe create a system of national parks in order to protect natural resources, even if that means throwing out dirtbag campers?


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bill413 wrote:
dynosore wrote:
el_layclimber wrote:
josephgdawson wrote:
When demand exceeds supply, there are two ways to bring them in line: increase prices or ration.

Just wait until the government controls access to health care, it will make the DMV look efficient.

Good thing health care access is controlled by profit-oriented corporations. They make not getting sick at all the best option, but if you want you can pay another 20 dollars a month for ass lube when you do get sick.

Name one thing the gov. does better than private industry....heck, the USPS had to contract with Fed Ex to get packages moved around. When Fed Ex can do it for them, make a profit, and still it costs less than the gov. doing it themselves, there's your clue as to what gov. health insurance will be like. My Canadian friend, a doc, brought his dad here to the states and paid cash to have a stint put in. He would have died waiting for it in Canada. The only thing socialized medicine will do is give lazy bums the same level of insurance that hard working people have, yeah. I've had to scrounge for my own insurance since I was 19, so I know it can be done.
Well, when I was between jobs (read NO income) COBRA coverage was costing $1,000 a month.
Yeah, it can be done. For a while. Maybe.

Did you even look at the Connector plans? That's WAY more expensive than it needs to be. A buddy of mine pays $250 through BCBS, and he's a contractor who has to pay his own. He got the plan when he was out of work, too. It was cheaper than COBRA.

But, on the other hand, there's a new law out that allows both the state and fed subsidies on COBRA to be combined making a substantial savings. It certainly shouldn't cost $1000 per month, at least not in Mass.


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bill413 wrote:
dynosore wrote:
el_layclimber wrote:
josephgdawson wrote:
When demand exceeds supply, there are two ways to bring them in line: increase prices or ration.

Just wait until the government controls access to health care, it will make the DMV look efficient.

Good thing health care access is controlled by profit-oriented corporations. They make not getting sick at all the best option, but if you want you can pay another 20 dollars a month for ass lube when you do get sick.

Name one thing the gov. does better than private industry....heck, the USPS had to contract with Fed Ex to get packages moved around. When Fed Ex can do it for them, make a profit, and still it costs less than the gov. doing it themselves, there's your clue as to what gov. health insurance will be like. My Canadian friend, a doc, brought his dad here to the states and paid cash to have a stint put in. He would have died waiting for it in Canada. The only thing socialized medicine will do is give lazy bums the same level of insurance that hard working people have, yeah. I've had to scrounge for my own insurance since I was 19, so I know it can be done.
Well, when I was between jobs (read NO income) COBRA coverage was costing $1,000 a month.
Yeah, it can be done. For a while. Maybe.

I had to cash out part of my 401k at 23 to pay for COBRA while I finished school. Point is, there are far too many in this country that want someone else to take care of them, and I'm fed up with paying for them. My wife and I had zero help in life from our parents but still managed to both get an education, pay for our wedding, stay insured, and build a good life for ourselves. If we can make it without help, most anyone can. Git yer hands out of my pocket, I earned it.


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dynosore wrote:
Name one thing the gov. does better than private industry.... there's your clue as to what gov. health insurance will be like.
You might want to compare the overhead figures for a standard HMO and that of Medicare. It's rather shocking.

dynosore wrote:
My Canadian friend, a doc, brought his dad here to the states and paid cash to have a stint put in. He would have died waiting for it in Canada.
Suggest you read this article:
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12523427
...which in part states:
In reply to:
Myth: There are long waits for care, which compromise access to care.There are no waits for urgent or primary care in Canada. There are reasonable waits for most specialists' care, and much longer waits for elective surgery. Yes, there are those instances where a patient can wait up to a month for radiation therapy for breast cancer or prostate cancer, for example. However, the wait has nothing to do with money per se, but everything to do with the lack of radiation therapists. Despite such waits, however, it is noteworthy that Canada boasts lower incident and mortality rates than the U.S. for all cancers combined, according to the U.S. Cancer Statistics Working Group and the Canadian Cancer Society. Moreover, fewer Canadians (11.3 percent) than Americans (14.4 percent) admit unmet health care needs.

Myth: Canadians are paying out of pocket to come to the U.S. for medical care.Most patients who come from Canada to the U.S. for health care are those whose costs are covered by the Canadian governments. If a Canadian goes outside of the country to get services that are deemed medically necessary, not experimental, and are not available at home for whatever reason (e.g., shortage or absence of high tech medical equipment; a longer wait for service than is medically prudent; or lack of physician expertise), the provincial government where you live fully funds your care. Those patients who do come to the U.S. for care and pay out of pocket are those who perceive their care to be more urgent than it likely is.


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"if I can do it anyone can" is a weak case. Without having been in other disadvantaged peoples' specific circumstance (you think parents not paying your way is the only disadvantage?) saying what they you would have done, or what they should be able to do is moot.

The statement shows that you have a poor sense of relative privilege and deprivation and also some of the challenges facing people, including attitudes like yours that assert that everyone has the same opportunity, get over it.


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get the fuck out of my thread. take your political bullshit somewhere else

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