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I've read through a few threads here, and got some good info, but they're so old I figured I'd start a new one rather than bumping. I'm getting into aid this spring, so I'm getting all my new gear and preparing for breakup. I've got cam hooks and talons tied off, but my cliffhanger hook leaves me puzzled. This thread has been my best resource so far, with Punk's picture showing what Petes words couldn't, but I'm still stuck with the cliffhanger. Mine is unslung, and Punk's is slung with a sewn runner. Obviously I won't be sewing a runner, and I don't want to ship it off to get one sewn on. In my totally uneducated mind, I don't know why this hook is special enough to need two holes when my others have just one, but I suspect there IS a reason, so I'm hesitant to just shove a loop of webbing through one hole and call it good. Can someone let me know the proper way to tie this thing off?


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those who climb real aid gave me this info when slinging cliffhangers (i havent used mine yet, but they've been slung)

with the hook facing away from you (like you were going to hook it on something)- thread the biggest webbing you can into the top hole then back out the bottom hole. tie this off in a short loop. i managed to get 9/16" supertape on mine.

the reason for the two holes, from what i recall of the advice, was that by tying it this way, you create more stability with your weight pressing against the 'feet' of the hook.

i'm sure someone else will actually be able to explain that much better, but at least you can tie yours now....


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OK, that makes sense. Thanks!


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just do it like the grappling hook picture one big knot on 11/16 or get the thinner one 9/16 (?) but not the 1/2 and thread it like the sawn one with water knot tie off

like this
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=21390
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=21394

or go to this thread


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So Punk, do you have any problems with the extra inches the longer slings cause, like Pete does in the thread I linked above?


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The shorter the webbing loop the better. I'd also go with the 9/16 supertape -- it's stronger and more durable.

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The shorter the webbing loop the better. I'd also go with the 9/16 supertape -- it's stronger and more durable.

Ed

OK, and i've got plenty of 9/16 around, but my problem is it won't go through the hole (as a loop, not single like Punk's), even folding and pulling hard with pliers. That method worked for my cam hooks, but not the Cliffhanger. I managed to find some flat webbing that goes through and will work, but it's slippery and thin, so I figure it will untie and abrade much faster. :? Any better tricks to cramming 9/16th through tiny holes than just using pliers?


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Most of my cliffhanger are threaded like the larg camhook in my picture with 11/16. actually you will want the webbing to fit very tight in the hole b/c it is less likely to fall.
look at the yellow Logan pic above thatís how I have my cliff and grappling hooks threaded.
You will want the have the shortest possible clip in loop, however sometimes it will be beneficial having it slightly longer (one scenario--hooking a concave placement). So it is nice to have more than two hooks just for variety sake.


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