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Obviously not for the masterpoint, but in other parts of an anchor configuation (slings, bolts, cordelette, etc.), instead of straight-gate D biners?


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Don't see why not. I use 'em but, as you said, not as the masterpoint.


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No disadvantage.

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I don't see any disadvantage over wire gates. Just make sure that they're opposing and you should be good.


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Whats so bad about using them as the masterpoint?


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Whats so bad about using them as the masterpoint?

Correct. No problem there either, as long as they are opposite and opposed.


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Masterpoint needs to be a locker

Wrong.


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Masterpoint needs to be a locker


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Masterpoint needs to be a locker

Wrong.


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a powerpoint can be either a locker or two non-lockers opposite and opposed.

wiregates can be used for anything you want to use 'em for.


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Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker.

Better?

much better.


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Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker.

Better?


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Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker.

Better?

Yes, much better.


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*Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker.

Better?*

I guess...but I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker...


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*Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker.

Better?*

I guess...but I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker...

Me too.


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*Sorry, IF its a single biner, the powerpoint needs to be a locker.

Better?*

I guess...but I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker...

Me too.

two opposed one locker and one wiregate is what i find ideal. And I prefer using wiregates on everything especially on the rope end of a draw/sling. Much easier to clip into.


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no disadvantage...might even be a little stronger than straight gate biners


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... I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker...

There's at least one really clever good reason for this.

Anyone who doesn't know why want to take a guess?


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... I'd still rather have 2 opposed non-lockers instead of one locker...

There's at least one really clever good reason for this.

Anyone who doesn't know why want to take a guess?

... rather ... 2 ... instead ... one ...

:?:

- Daniel


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Just a stab, but two is better, because you are all set up to haul with a garda hitch if need be.


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gotta be a locker to be the safest..however I have used a wire gate to clip into sport anchors many times. Personal choice and level of safety desired


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Before saying anything, I do NOT trad climb. However, the only place that I have heard where it is better not to use a wiregate is when using nuts as they need a much smaller opening to be unclipped (due to the width of the wire).

Any comments?


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i've had it happen- almost lost half my stoppers when they worked out of one of my ovalwires. other folks havent had any problems at all....so, who knows.


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Yeah, I would say don't rack your nuts on a wiregate carabiner, as there is a risk of them working their way off of the biner. As for using a wiregate biner on the pro end of your draw, I've never done it and don't know what the possibility is of it coming undone.


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Isn't there less of an issue with gate flutter when using wiregate 'biners?

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