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livingtheedge


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I was thinking of replacing my old bent gates with wire gate but before I did I wanted to get a few opinions first.
1) Is it worth the money to pick up 12 wire gates?
2) Do you have any suggestions for the 12 old bent gates and no, sending them to you is not an option.
3) If I decided to get the wire gates which band/ type is your favorite.


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1) thats up to you to decide. imho yes.

2.) if nothing better leaver biners.

3.) i prefer cassin. but BDs are also very nice. just try some out at the store and buy wichever feels best.


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Go to the store and try them. Each one will feel different in your hand. It doesn't matter how light or how cheap they are, if you hate using them they're worthless.


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I don't like the BD ones. Personally I actually prefer the Trango classic wiregate's (they also happen to be insanely cheap).


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Also check out the trango superflys, they are the lightest wiregate on the market (30g), with a high open gate strength (9kn)


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if your looking for a good/low cost wire gate look at the trangos... i have 4 and they are great.

as for old biners... use them for bail biners or to set up a slackline.

This is the site for the trangos...
http://www.gearexpress.biz/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=G&Product_Code=5158


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My entire rack, except for lockers, is completely wiregates. You could easily keep the bent gates for sport draws, or some other use.

I love the feel of the BD hotwires.


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For 12 of the Trango classic wiregates its $51.24, not sure u can find a better deal than that.


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for me wiregates are the only way to go, even for sport climbing. I have been using them for a while and they are light and very easy to clip. I have troubles clipping bent biners fast now that I am use to wiregates.


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In a course I recently took, the instructor stated that during a lead fall, the rope's vibrations can briefly open the gate of a non locking biner, which then knocks down the protection from 24Kn to 8Kn, which can be dangerous. Is this a serious thing to watch out for? and do wire gates offer any less protection against such an occurance than non wire due to their size and mass?


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In a course I recently took, the instructor stated that during a lead fall, the rope's vibrations can briefly open the gate of a non locking biner, which then knocks down the protection from 24Kn to 8Kn, which can be dangerous. Is this a serious thing to watch out for? and do wire gates offer any less protection against such an occurance than non wire due to their size and mass?

*cough*bullshit*cough* :roll:


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I love the BD Neutrino Wiregates. They are a tad smaller than a full size biner and they are very light. I must have two dozen of them. Cheap too.


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In a course I recently took, the instructor stated that during a lead fall, the rope's vibrations can briefly open the gate of a non locking biner, which then knocks down the protection from 24Kn to 8Kn, which can be dangerous. Is this a serious thing to watch out for? and do wire gates offer any less protection against such an occurance than non wire due to their size and mass?

Without a screamer, not a common problem.
Wire gates lessen the chance of flutter.


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In a course I recently took, the instructor stated that during a lead fall, the rope's vibrations can briefly open the gate of a non locking biner, which then knocks down the protection from 24Kn to 8Kn, which can be dangerous. Is this a serious thing to watch out for? and do wire gates offer any less protection against such an occurance than non wire due to their size and mass?

The lower mass of the gate on a wire lessens that issue considerably. And it is a real risk. That's why open gate strength is sooo important.

As far as wiregates go...
Best clipping is the old "fin", the oldschool Livewire from BD. The new one ain't bad, but not the same.

Best all around is the BD quickwire, which they don't make anymore.

I use Trango Classic Wires for a lot too.


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Gate flutter is a very real occurance. If at the second the rope comes tight on a biner it opens the breaking strength is reduced by more than half. A common way for this to happen is if the spine of a carabiner smakes the rock violently in a fall - the gate will breifly open. Test it yourself, take a non-wire gate biner and slap it against your palm. If it makes a clicking sound, then the biner is opening. I use almost entirely wire gate biners to prevent against this. There have been acounts of people taking giant falls as a result of biners breaking. Not all non-wire gate biners flutter. Petzel spirits, for example have very high quality springs and do not flutter. Go for wires they're lighter and if you want to get into alpine or ice climbing, wires won't freeze shut.


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I see this is in the sport climbing forum, so I imagine you're looking at getting 12 wiregates for your rope end biners of your draws.

If that's the case, I wouldn't bother, unless your bentgates really suck. I think the gains you'd make in clippability and weight savings aren't worth the expense.

I've got draws with wires and bents, and truth be told, I don't really care which ones I'm clipping. They both clip easy.

I'd save your money. If you had another use for your old biners, it might be worthwhile, but it sounds like you don't.


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In a course I recently took, the instructor stated that during a lead fall, the rope's vibrations can briefly open the gate of a non locking biner, which then knocks down the protection from 24Kn to 8Kn, which can be dangerous. Is this a serious thing to watch out for? and do wire gates offer any less protection against such an occurance than non wire due to their size and mass?

*cough*s---*cough* :roll:

While perhaps poorly articulated, I believe this is correct.


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In a course I recently took, the instructor stated that during a lead fall, the rope's vibrations can briefly open the gate of a non locking biner, which then knocks down the protection from 24Kn to 8Kn, which can be dangerous. Is this a serious thing to watch out for? and do wire gates offer any less protection against such an occurance than non wire due to their size and mass?

*cough*s---*cough* :roll:

While perhaps poorly articulated, I believe this is correct.

Can anybody dig up the study that proved that bizarro vibrations during certain falls really do occur? I'm really lazy.


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I would definately go for the wiregates. Although a tad more expensive i find them easier to clip with and not only that but they are lighter and safer in regards to gate flutter. I too like the trango classic wiregates but have quite a few BD ones also.


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Personally, I think wiregates are WAY easier to clip than solid gates, bent or not. They are a worthy investment.


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when your draw what ever slaps up against the wall or rock or what ever the gate will open dont trust me take one and slap its spine against your hand you will hear it click.. wire gate binners help prevent this because the wire has less weight so they have less flutter.. this is good!! this being said none wire gate binners are safe and i still use them.. just some thing to think about...


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I've never understood these questions.

On my rack I have ovals, REI D's, Trango bent and straight, HB bent, Omega gates, WC someweirdkeylikebiner, and some other random biners. I can quickly and easily clip these, trad or sport. I don't have any issues.

What's this obsession about needing the right biner to send. I don't buy the weight arguement either.

Buy what you like when they are on sale and you need more. There aren't any real advantages though.


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I think this is why Goran Cropp died? I mean gate flutter that is. I'm not too sure. Just heard that from some swiss guy here in Australia who knew him some how. The Wild Country wild wires are good, as well the BD hotwires. But if you want simply the best, get the DMM wirelocks. Brilliant biner!


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If you are ready to retire the bent gates, my preference is always for wires. Lots of things you could do with the old ones. Misc gear racking is always good. Hang stuff up in your garage. Whatever. WC Heliums are hard to beat.


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More like affordable vs. unaffordable.

I've got 8 DMM wire gate draws-happy with them.

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