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Auburn SRA (NorCal): Tickets  (North_America: United_States: California: Sacramento_Area: Auburn_State_Recreation_Area)
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Hello,

This post is to serve two purposes:

1) Warn people that the rangers are patrolling and issueing tickets to people found climbing during their sweeps.

2) Solicit contact from anyone who was ticketed over the last few weekends. I am looking to pass on the info to the NorCal Access Fund rep and would like to have a copy of the actual ticket if at all possible.

Please PM me if you have more information.
Thanks!


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Are the rangers "looking" for climbers or just cruising through? Are they going above the bottom quarry?


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They are looking for climbers, and they are now driving up to the upper quarry.


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Are they checking during the week or just during the weekends. I was hoping to call in sick and climb there for a day. Jeff


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Aaron: we got cought Sunday April 2. My partner and I were already packed up when the Ranger showed up. We jumped on our bikes and took off.

There was another party of 6 that had ropes up on several climbs. The ranger let them climb up and get their gear. I do not know if they got ticketed.


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That suks! They got their gear? Stupid rangers :evil:

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Aaron: we got cought Sunday April 2. My partner and I were already packed up when the Ranger showed up. We jumped on our bikes and took off.

There was another party of 6 that had ropes up on several climbs. The ranger let them climb up and get their gear. I do not know if they got ticketed.


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Aaron: we got cought Sunday April 2. My partner and I were already packed up when the Ranger showed up. We jumped on our bikes and took off.

There was another party of 6 that had ropes up on several climbs. The ranger let them climb up and get their gear. I do not know if they got ticketed.

They got ticketed. I must have just missed you guys, or else you were the group that whizzed by us on our way up the trail.


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They got their gear?.....

The ranger allowed the climbers to climb up and collect the gear off the anchors. I have no knowdlege of any gear being taken by the ranger.


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They got ticketed. I must have just missed you guys, or else you were the group that whizzed by us on our way up the trail.

How much is the fine? I had a red Mt. bike with my pack in a child seat. Knew better than to climb in the lower area, but, It was rainning a little when we got there and we did not expect to get much climbing in.


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you mean you can drive up the crag with your car?


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No. There is a road, but the gate is locked. The rangers only unlock it when they want to drive in and bust climbers.

You and I, Paolo, have to hike. :)


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Hummm we could buy Rangers uniforms and put some stickers on our car..then collect gear ! :)

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No. There is a road, but the gate is locked. The rangers only unlock it when they want to drive in and bust climbers.

You and I, Paolo, have to hike. :)


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Hello,

This post is to serve two purposes:

1) Warn people that the rangers are patrolling and issueing tickets to people found climbing during their sweeps.

2) Solicit contact from anyone who was ticketed over the last few weekends. I am looking to pass on the info to the NorCal Access Fund rep and would like to have a copy of the actual ticket if at all possible.

Please PM me if you have more information.
Thanks!

Aaron, what is the legal basis for citing climbers? I'm wondering if whether you could fight one of these tickets in court and win and thereby win access for climbers.

-Jay


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The legal basis for citing climbers is an order from the district superintendant. The order prohibits 'technical climbing' which is defined in the order. Interestingly, free soloing doesn't fall within the definition of technical climbing.

The problem with fighting a ticket is that it's only $30. Interestingly, only the climbers were cited, belayers were not ticketed.

Oh, the superintendants order was issued pursuant to the applicable CCR section. I forget which one it is, Aaron has a copy of the order. And our oh so effective access fund rep, who as far as I can tell is making things worse.


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The fine was $30 for those that were actually caught climbing, i.e. belayers were not included. From what I gathered, they have to actually catch you in the act. So, if you had tons of equipment and were in the process of getting started or ending, they canít ticket you. Juan asked the ranger if he could climb back up to retrieve their gear from the anchor. She said sure, then ticketed him for climbing on the wall.


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DI the ranger took the gear away or not? Otherwise splitting a $ 30 ticket is not a big of a deal...



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The legal basis for citing climbers is an order from the district superintendant. The order prohibits 'technical climbing' which is defined in the order. Interestingly, free soloing doesn't fall within the definition of technical climbing.

The problem with fighting a ticket is that it's only $30. Interestingly, only the climbers were cited, belayers were not ticketed.

Oh, the superintendants order was issued pursuant to the applicable CCR section. I forget which one it is, Aaron has a copy of the order. And our oh so effective access fund rep, who as far as I can tell is making things worse.


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No. The rangers did not confiscate any gear. I understand they let the climbers clean their toprope anchors.

Yeah, a $30 ticket isn't that big of a fine, but it sure will ruin your day if you are out to climb, have driven a ways, and have to go home.


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Yep.




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No. The rangers did not confiscate any gear. I understand they let the climbers clean their toprope anchors.

Yeah, a $30 ticket isn't that big of a fine, but it sure will ruin your day if you are out to climb, have driven a ways, and have to go home.


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Any other options for climbing in the area this weekend?

Does anyone know if the leap is climbable yet?

Thanks in advance


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Any other options for climbing in the area this weekend?

Sugarloaf


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That's poopy. I was thinking of going home (Colfax) for a weekend to climb and ski a day, respectively. Definitely a downer to know that they're citing now.

Colin


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I understand they let the climbers clean their toprope anchors..

There was only one person actually climbing when the ranger showed up. He would have been the only one to get a ticket. Juan asked if he could go up and clean the anchors. The ranger said sure then ticketed him when he came down.


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I understand they let the climbers clean their toprope anchors..

There was only one person actually climbing when the ranger showed up. He would have been the only one to get a ticket. Juan asked if he could go up and clean the anchors. The ranger said sure then ticketed him when he came down.

What an asshole.


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What an asshole.

Yep :(


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I understand they let the climbers clean their toprope anchors..

There was only one person actually climbing when the ranger showed up. He would have been the only one to get a ticket. Juan asked if he could go up and clean the anchors. The ranger said sure then ticketed him when he came down.

I'd consider filing a complaint with that ranger's supervisor, and I'd be tempted to fight the ticket in court. Even if the climber was technically guilty, a judge is likely to frown on a ranger playing games like that, and dismiss the ticket.

-Jay

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