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anjalidas
May 4, 2005, 10:20 PM
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Recalling that a U in Colorado dished out a 25k grant and somone got a master's degree for the creation of Splitter gear, I'm interested in how big we can dream on the portaledge design.....my two personal favs are:
The burly version of the rachet up and down pool lounger--I mean, would it get any better than a sweet belay chair that folds down flat when you've had too much to drink, I mean climb.
or how about a snap-together plastic model--they have portable jacuzzi's made of plastic panels that snap together in minutes and hold the force of dozens of gallons of water, what if we had two plastic pieces that snapped together in the middle--and we could kiss bed-sag goodbye forever.
Let's hear it--what is the portaledge of the future?
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veganboyjosh
May 4, 2005, 10:24 PM
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i'm wondering if anyone has used a plain old hammock to sleep on the wall...
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iamthewallress
May 4, 2005, 10:26 PM
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In reply to: i'm wondering if anyone has used a plain old hammock to sleep on the wall...
I like the original poster's suggestions better. :wink:
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davidji
May 4, 2005, 10:28 PM
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In reply to: i'm wondering if anyone has used a plain old hammock to sleep on the wall... |
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veganboyjosh
May 4, 2005, 10:31 PM
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i actually do sleep in a hammock. every ngiht. i gave up my bed when i moved so as to have more work space...it's damn comfortable, but the anchor points are on the diagonals of my room, so i think they might be too far apart for use on a big wall.
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jderekforrester
May 4, 2005, 10:35 PM
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Here is a thought. If you had a small seat say 2*2 feet made out of a light carbon frame, you could have a slider that would allow two other 2*2 carbon board runners to come out from underneath the original seat. Then you just attatch an adjustable rigging system. Strong, light, and doubles as a belay seat. You could even add in a few drainage holes to lower the weight a bit more. The only downside would be that it would need to be out all the time, but it would be comfy to sit on.
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veganboyjosh
May 4, 2005, 11:09 PM
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In reply to: ...sleeping in a hammock can give you back problems after a while (if not immediatly)....
do you have a source for this?
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crotch
May 4, 2005, 11:21 PM
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In reply to: i actually do sleep in a hammock. every ngiht. i gave up my bed when i moved so as to have more work space
How does that work out on dates? :P
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crotch
May 4, 2005, 11:23 PM
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Killer pic, Golsen!
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iamthewallress
May 4, 2005, 11:27 PM
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In reply to: in addition to not being comfy, sleeping in a hammock can give you back problems after a while (if not immediatly). there is the parasite however, made by pika http://www.pikamtn.com/9bivouacgear.html wich is designed to be slept in and the suspension is supposed to make it more comfy. sounds like a good cheap bigwall solution to me.
It's not quite as deluxe as it sounds....More of a "how much sleep do you really need for just one night out" OR "what if I don't make it to the bivy ledge" kind of thing.
Getting into the parasite and then getting into your sleeping bag while in the parasite is a bit of a party trick too. I recommend ground school for this one.
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veganboyjosh
May 4, 2005, 11:34 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: i actually do sleep in a hammock. every ngiht. i gave up my bed when i moved so as to have more work space How does that work out on dates? :P
works out great.
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stymingersfink
May 4, 2005, 11:37 PM
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tell ya what, veganboyish, take that guatemalan handmade hammock out, hang it out the side of your dorm room windows, tie in and sleep there for a few nights in a row. The empiricall evidence will present itself to you immediatley.
I don't think when people referr to hammocks for big wallin' they mean the heavy duty rope ones with the handy dandy spreader bars at either end. As heavy as those things are, you might as well haul up a double porta-ledge.
back to the topic at hand:
Lightweight, bombproof construction that can be driven over by a semi truck and still set up licketty-split during the darkest wettest night in the past decade.
and if wishes were horses, beggars would ride, soooo... it will ACTUALLY levitate up the wall carrying the haul bags with it, self-deploy on command and provide fresh espresso at first light. :lol: 8^)
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davidji
May 5, 2005, 5:34 AM
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In reply to: i actually do sleep in a hammock. every ngiht.
If I needed to replace my bed with work space, I'd be tempted to buy a flip-up wall bed. Cheapness might lead me to using a couple of sleeping pads & a sleeping bag though. More comfy for me than a hammock.
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crshbrn84
May 5, 2005, 6:21 AM
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look in alex hubers yosemite book there is a pick of Robbins and Yvon Chinorard on el cap sleeping in hammocks
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kimgraves
May 5, 2005, 2:27 PM
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Hi Gang,
I seem to remember that there is whole new class of materials or technology that can “remember” what shape it should be in. Like if you crumpled or rolled up a plastic bottle it would grow back to it’s original shape no matter how long it stayed crumpled. Any engineers out there who know what I’m talking about? I can’t remember if they are metals or plastics. Anyway, NASA is looking at them as a way to make large structures in space. The structure would be stored rolled up. When unrolled it would assume a rigid complex shape. Using these materials, I could imagine rolling up a portaledge – like a yoga mat – and then unrolling it into a rigid platform. I hate to think what these things would cost.
Hammocks were the “original” portaledges. In 1972, Chouinard Equipment started selling one – see below. I never tried it, but understand that they abandoned it favor of ledges because it was so uncomfortable and difficult to manage. GPIW catalog page from climbaz.com.
Best, Kim
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jello
May 5, 2005, 4:00 PM
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I slept in a hammock on the captain as recently as eight years ago. It kinda sucks but......when ya wanna climb and don't have a ledge......just watch out for the ants. :shock:
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climbhigher
May 6, 2005, 7:56 AM
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I am thinking light...Seems like everyone is trying to make lighter gear with still good strength. Light and small would be good. Making a light one season portaledge and a more heavier 2/3/4 season one. Seems like bigwall climbing deals with such heavy gear.
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climbhigher
May 9, 2005, 12:10 AM
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how much lighter would titanium make a ledge? And way not use that single wall fabric that black diamond useses for there new tents for the rain fly. That would make everything more light. oh yeah, for the webing use that super light stuff that Mammut is using for there slings.
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