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cjstudent
Jul 20, 2005, 1:16 AM
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In reply to: Since I started this thread I to have had a chance to try out the unmodified Gri Gri, the Modified Gri Gri and the Cinch on a few pitches each. The cinch definatly feeds smother and locks quicker, it also, as others have mentioned, doesn't require any modifications. I felt that the only down fall is that it's awkward to lower out with on penjis and such, because of the tiny handel, this makes for a jerky lower out, which if done on scary gear would raise the pucker factor a bit. The gri gri is tried and true. The truth is, I still can't decide which I like better! I just can't get past that tiny handel!
I used my cinch on El Cap and did not have any problems with it being jerky on lower outs. For full on rapping I think it is hard to find the "sweet spot" and I thus still use my ATC for rappelling.
I love the cinch. I use it on multi-pitch climbing to bring up a 2nd straight off the anchor, and when i am guiding for my university.
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cchildre
Jul 20, 2005, 2:33 PM
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In reply to: Since I started this thread I to have had a chance to try out the unmodified Gri Gri, the Modified Gri Gri and the Cinch on a few pitches each. The cinch definatly feeds smother and locks quicker, it also, as others have mentioned, doesn't require any modifications. I felt that the only down fall is that it's awkward to lower out with on penjis and such, because of the tiny handel, this makes for a jerky lower out, which if done on scary gear would raise the pucker factor a bit. The gri gri is tried and true. The truth is, I still can't decide which I like better! I just can't get past that tiny handel!
This is a problem with both the Gri and the Cinch, and there is a simple solution. When you lower, hold your brake hand on the rope just like you would using an ATC. Pull the brake handle completely open with your free hand and lower using your brake hand to control the speed, not the handle. Bad things happen just release the handle and it locks, but you can still get down smooth. Give it a try and see what you think.
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no_one
Jul 20, 2005, 10:15 PM
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cjstudent saidIn reply to: I used my cinch on El Cap and did not have any problems with it being jerky on lower outs. For full on rapping I think it is hard to find the "sweet spot" and I thus still use my ATC for rappelling. |
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sspssp
Jul 20, 2005, 10:26 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Since I started this thread I to have had a chance to try out the unmodified Gri Gri, the Modified Gri Gri and the Cinch on a few pitches each. The cinch definatly feeds smother and locks quicker, it also, as others have mentioned, doesn't require any modifications. I felt that the only down fall is that it's awkward to lower out with on penjis and such, because of the tiny handel, this makes for a jerky lower out, which if done on scary gear would raise the pucker factor a bit. The gri gri is tried and true. The truth is, I still can't decide which I like better! I just can't get past that tiny handel! This is a problem with both the Gri and the Cinch, and there is a simple solution. When you lower, hold your brake hand on the rope just like you would using an ATC. Pull the brake handle completely open with your free hand and lower using your brake hand to control the speed, not the handle. Bad things happen just release the handle and it locks, but you can still get down smooth. Give it a try and see what you think.
Have you really tried this with a Cinch (I would guess not)? At least with a rope in the 10.2 or smaller size? The Cinch doesn't "brake" when you try to treat it like an ATC (and like the Grigri will). If you open the Cinch all the way up, it isn't much different than just hanging on to a free rope. I generally prefer the Cinch over the Grigri, but the lowering bit is its weak link (and I'm hoping for an updated design).
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kevanrobitaille
Mar 13, 2007, 9:10 PM
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A climber I know uses the cinch for solo top roping. He recommended I buy one, so I did...considering it was so much cheaper than the silent partner AND could be used as a belay device.
I can't figure out how to lower with the thing though. The two times I've tried solo top roping, I've gotten stuck. (That'll teach me to try my project the first two times soloing...seriously now that I think about it I can't believe how bad of an idea that was).
Anyway, some one told me I have to use my 'thumb on the pivot', looked at the instruction manual online, but still can't lower with the thing. It either bites down solid, or opens up completely and I fall/jerk/fall repeat. Any trick to smoother lowering? Or just not do any thing over-hanging so when I fall i wont be stuck and have to pressic up and switch devices to get back down?
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climbinginchico
Mar 15, 2007, 3:39 AM
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Have you tried redirecting the brake strand like in the directions?
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