I don't care what freaking grade you are climbing at, it is more fun when the rope goes down between your legs than it is when it goes up in front of your nose!! I ain't no freaking trad snob. if you want to stick clip the first bolt or two have the Fck at it but if you stick clip the whole FCKING Rt. don't be a sissy and try to tell me that you led the fcking thing caus you are blowing smoke out your ass and are definatly not getting the fcking point :twisted: as far as fractuer being a 5.13 sport climber, i don't know if that is true or not but it don't mean s--- if you can't get up a cliff without a freaking fishing pole :roll: i seen them spurt climbers before you know :lol: caught one doing laps on a 12a that i hand drilled solo ground up. Now I couldn't free that b---- if you put a gun to my head but this kid was looking strong so I smooth talked him into going climbing the next day :twisted: Bout half way up the 3rd pitch of an ADK 5.8 the kid is grabbing gear and shaking like a dog crapping razorblades :lol: That's with the rope running straight up past his nose! That was just the warm up 8^) The next climb was another fine ADK 5.8. the descriptin in the guide says something about " both the leader and the SECOND are subject to long dangerous falls on the 2nd pitch" :D haven't heard from him since :roll: No, I don't climb 5.13, s--- I don't even climb 5.11. I ain't a doctor or vetrinarian either but I do know dead horses a$$hole when i smell one 8^)

He is a little put off by people who claim to be able to climb 5.12 sport but s--- their pants when climbing trad routes. Anyone who moves into trad from sport will be humbled by the climbs they will be climbing.

Those of us who moved into sport from trad are less impressed.

-Jay

So, it was not just a stupid thing an old washed up trad climber said, it was a personal insult to you.

...you have to admit that trad climbing puts the fear into you that sport does not.

Other then saying that tradmanclimbs is a good climber that I'd climb with, I'm not much at bashing any part of climbing.

I don't have anything useful to add to this topic, but being a washed-up trad climber, I felt obligated.

Curt

I thought you were a boulderer.... :?

If "tradmanclimbs" is a real person, and not an internet alter ego, I would like to sincerely suggest that he take some time off of climbing.

The post could be used in a torte case against him if he is ever unlucky enough to have someone injured while they were climbing with him.

I would warn anybody against climbing with him.

Hey remember the phrase Boulder for power, Sport for endurance, Trad for Life... and so on. It's all climbing. Just throw the F***ing stick clip away, the FA'ist put it up that way for a reason. They didn't put the bolts high or far apart so a puss could come along and stick clip them all, they put the bolts that way for climbers who are ready for the grade.