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nshaver2
Sep 11, 2005, 2:36 AM
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I am just curious how most of you make your trad draws. Do you use two different types of biners (one for the rope end and one for the gear end) or two of the same type of biner? Thanks.
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vegastradguy
Sep 11, 2005, 2:43 AM
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all my trad draws are 8mm mammut dyneema runners (24") with a pair of WC Heliums on each. when it comes to trad, if the carabiner cant do every job i need it to, theres no point of having it on the rack.
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el_cap
Sep 11, 2005, 2:44 AM
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Just depends what biners I have laying around for the draws. If I can, I'll make one rope one gear, but sometimes I'll just use the same biner for both sides.
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speedywon
Sep 11, 2005, 3:12 AM
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Slings: I'll second vegastradguy on using 8mm dyneema. If you're starting from scratch you might as well do it right (light, strong, minimal bulk). Biners: Depends what you're clipping, I have several biners reserved for clipping the wires on nuts and hexes. The rest only come in contact with the rope and slings from draws or cams. I know several tradsters who won't mess with having to sort and seperate biners, but we're only talking about 5-6 biners (for most trad routes) that this would effect.
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ubotch
Sep 11, 2005, 4:23 AM
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I like to use keylock biners on the pro end, mainly because it is easier for my second to unclip (or me if I am cleaning). For the rope end I use wiregates because I like the way they clip and they save me a little weight. As far as specific biners everyone has their favorites but I always like BD's.
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dirtbag101
Sep 11, 2005, 5:26 AM
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I third what vegastradude had to say. or better yet get the new 7mm dyneema slings that mammut just put out and put the WC helium's on them, the lightest strongest setup available. And the helium's are 1kn stronger than the spirits if that makes you feel any better even though I guarantee you won't be producing any falls of that magnitude.
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euroford
Sep 11, 2005, 1:59 PM
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it seams silly to me to contemplate using diffrent biners on either end of a trad draw. the ends get mixed up, and its just another source of clusterfrig. like everybody else, i'm a fan od the mammut slings and i use nuetrino's. there are other biners out there worth a look, but i find the nuetrino's to just be fantastic all around.
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asandh
Sep 12, 2005, 12:21 AM
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nicklikesfire
Sep 12, 2005, 12:34 AM
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In reply to: all my trad draws are 8mm mammut dyneema runners (24") with a pair of WC Heliums on each. when it comes to trad, if the carabiner cant do every job i need it to, theres no point of having it on the rack. I did this when I had a good job (for a dirtbag college drop out), now I am back in school and very very poor... but I have nice nice gear... I WIN!
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toejam
Sep 12, 2005, 1:45 AM
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Yes, different biners for rope and gear end. I often wind up clipping a bolt with a trad draw. Don't want burrs from the bolts mucking up the rope sheath.
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flamer
Sep 12, 2005, 2:22 AM
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Oh vomit..."trad draw"= RUNNER. josh
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devonick
Sep 12, 2005, 4:15 AM
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yup i sure do, i have a bent gate biner on one end and a straight gate on the other, the reason being that a bent gate is easier to clip rope in to than a straight gate biner and straight gates are easier to clip than a bent gate. also because the wire on the nuts etc may put little burs and crap and then it may end up damaging your rope which is never good. i think that it is a good idea to have different biners for your draws/runners
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tradman
Sep 12, 2005, 10:45 AM
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Mixed bag. Some straight, some bent. The only thing I do differently is that the extender is made from a meter of 7mm cord, not dyneema (I do a lot of winter climbing, and cord extenders are less prone to damage from crampons than tape ones).
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brent_e
Sep 12, 2005, 12:18 PM
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In reply to: Mixed bag. Some straight, some bent. The only thing I do differently is that the extender is made from a meter of 7mm cord, not dyneema (I do a lot of winter climbing, and cord extenders are less prone to damage from crampons than tape ones). good idea, Tradman.
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dasmastodon
Sep 12, 2005, 2:02 PM
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In reply to: or better yet get the new 7mm dyneema slings that mammut just put out d-Bag 101 - FYI - the new slings Mammut will be unveiling in March 2006 will be 6mm slings, a wee bit smaller than you may have heard. There will be no way to get these anytime earlier than then, please be patient with us. There should be plenty of 8mm slings out there to keep you rad tradsters pacified until then. Master of the Skinny Sling, Mattie the Mastodon
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roddack
Sep 12, 2005, 2:08 PM
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Shameless plug
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gat
Sep 12, 2005, 2:47 PM
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In reply to: Shameless plug I completely disagree. It was useful information regarding the availability of a product that many are looking forward to using. There was no product spray, just useful information. Thanks to tusk for providing it.
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tradrenn
Sep 19, 2005, 12:06 AM
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In reply to: I am just curious how most of you make your trad draws. Do you use two different types of biners (one for the rope end and one for the gear end) or two of the same type of biner? Thanks. I have solid straight gate ( BD Positron notchless ) to clip the gear and wire gate ( DMM ) to clip the rope.
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fastfeet975
Sep 19, 2005, 12:28 AM
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I carry two types of trad draws. My stoppers are racked five to a biner. The trad draw I use for them is a helium and a spirit bent tripled up on a mammut dyneema. Which end I clip to rope depends on how much of a hurry I'm in. I have recently started using the heliums so I am still trying to get used to the size. My cams are racked on heliums. If I need to extend the cam, I have spirits doubled on mammuts.
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