You should see if you can get a local shop to give you a prodeal or at cost. By bolting routes, you are directly affecting their business.

We can get them at our local shop for $1.50, for stainless 5-piece bolts. Hangers are $1-ish.

Wow (and...no way). Stainless 5 piece Power bolts for that price? Can't be. Way way way below cost. You must mean grade 5. Stainless run about 8 to 10 bucks per.

On the off chance you're correct, at Mountainworks?

Please clarify!

-Brian in SLC

Yeah, at Mountainworks. And I'm pretty sure they're stainless... Call up Mountainworks and ask Darren or whoever is there and ask to make sure.

for all of you stupid holier than thou i've been climbing for 75 years b---- out there, you should note that my profile hasn't been updated for a year, and that my friend, who has been climbing for 12 years and bolting for 5, and i are bolting a new canyon with advice from some local climbers who have been climbing and bolting many of the routes in utah. why is it that dumbass people have to post their worthless opinion whenever someone asks a simple question? don't they realize that no one really gives a s--- what they say anyway? just because you don't think i have any experience, forethought, ability, legal right, permission from the local alien population, etc. to go and bolt a few routes, doesn't mean i will even listen to you retards anyway. this is just further proof that this website is just a place for people to go and try to prove their superiority. a big thankyou to sed for not being a dick in expressing his opinion on the matter, and in answer to his post i will say that as a bolting team we have been the sole developers of this canyon and have thus far bolted 20+ routes into which we put much forethought and consideration about where we put bolts, and since we are really the only ones who climb in this area, i feel that it is safe to surmise that we are predominant in determining the ethics of this area. we aren't going to bolt any cracks or any other routes that have obvious placements, but even if we did, it is our decision since we are the ONLY ones developing this canyon. end of rant

SS 3/8 Power bolts are just toooo delicate for most climbers to be using. Sure they are strong bolts but I'm talking about the installation. You need to torque them at around 18 ft/lbs and that DEMANDS a torque wrench which very few bolters seem to use. An over torqued SS 3/8 Power bolt that does not get snapped off is VERY dangerous.

I'm a little torn between using wedge bolts due to the work invloved replacing them or if a bolt needs to be moved for safety, etc. but the cost is very attractive. Although it seems that I've had my equal amounts of frustration removing sleeve bolts that sometimes set wrong or get stripped.