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chalkfree
Sep 16, 2005, 2:51 PM
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Too bad,
Gotta wonder how much "technical rock climbing gear"?
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justsaynototake
Sep 16, 2005, 2:56 PM
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Hoogly boogly.....Blah Blah Blah.....I'm an a$$
That about wraps it up I think
--Eric
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dingus
Sep 16, 2005, 3:08 PM
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In reply to: It is sad that this guy died but I really have little to no sympathy for those people who climb like they are invinsible and then get hurt or die.
Is that the sound of you tap dancing on this dude's corpse?
What a putz.
DMT
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ecjohnson
Sep 16, 2005, 3:09 PM
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Justsaynototake, Lighten up! there are plenty of people who rope solo routes, and free solo. to them it is not wreckless, it is pushing their limits. If he wanted to rope solo it, and he enjoys sloitude, more power to him. It is a tragedy whenever the climbing community loses someone. My heartfelt syhmpathy's go out to his family and friends.
Ethan
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toejam
Sep 16, 2005, 3:19 PM
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Resisting the temptation to clutter the thread with senseless flaming, I'll just quote from this post on a similar topic:
In reply to: Compassion, as I understand it, is not a conditional virtue. You have it or you've blocked it because your mind has gotten in the way with all of it's heartless provisions. A climber might have fallen and gotten critically injured, but the person who doles out compassion only when his criteria is met is most truly the person en extremis. John L.
My sympathies also to family and friends.
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dynosore
Sep 16, 2005, 3:22 PM
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justsaynottotake:
We're all taking risks as climbers, just because he may have taken a little more than you he deserves to die? If you bite it trad or sport climbing, do you want non-climbers saying "he deserved it, I would never climb"?
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asandh
Sep 16, 2005, 3:28 PM
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:)
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dingus
Sep 16, 2005, 3:47 PM
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In reply to: dingus wrote: In reply to: Is that the sound of you tap dancing on this dude's corpse? What a putz. DMT while it is common practice to speak well of those recently deceased in our society, why must it be mandatory ? http://news.yahoo.com/...5/cm_huffpost/006844 :idea:
Ours is a society of rock climbers who should never EVER forget:
There but for the grace of god go I.
ALL rock climbing is potentially fatal. ALL rock climbing is a selfish activity on the part of the participant, aside from rescue work. That punk biatch hasn't learned that yet, but I know you know better.
The rest of society can go pound sand as far as I'm concerned. This matter is tribal.
DMT
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billcoe_
Sep 16, 2005, 3:48 PM
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Sounds like he fell on Snake Dike.
100' fall wouldn't kill you there IMO, makes you wonder what the real story is.
Must have been higher up.
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Added, lets give freetosaytake a little slack, dude days he's 24 years old and never even trad climbed. At some point the black hole that is free soloing will grace his life like it seems to catch most of us and he'll grow as an individual.
Snake Dike would be an awesome Free Solo. I've not done it yet but you'd think it should be on the list.
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tradmanclimbs
Sep 16, 2005, 3:50 PM
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Asandah has a point. Just becausae someone dies certainly does not mean that we should falsify their remberance. If they were an evil person they should be remembered as such just as if they were a decent person that should also be remembered. there is no need to glorify someone undeserveing just because they passed on. It is however pretty Fckn lame to condem someone or speak poorly of them from as few facts as we have available in this case. To attack the decesed with no real knowlege of the circumstances as well as to condem all soloers just for being out there alone in the great outdoors shows the total lack of experience, inteligence, charecter, tact and common decency of the poster
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tradmanclimbs
Sep 16, 2005, 3:57 PM
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Click on justsayno's profile and you will see that he is a total noob :roll: passing judgement on that of which he has no fckin clue :roll:
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asandh
Sep 16, 2005, 3:57 PM
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dubforceone
Sep 16, 2005, 4:10 PM
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All I know is somebody died...doing something that we all love to do...it sucks..and it hit home to me...i wish his family the best in their time of tradgedy
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billcoe_
Sep 16, 2005, 4:21 PM
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From Werner Braun on Supertopo: (So you know, Link is the well liked ranger in Yosemite)
"When Link gets done he’ll post his analysis probably. But he fell what it looked like to me about 200 feet. He pulled two stoppers during his fall. He was belaying himself with a gri-gri. He approached the start of the slabs to half dome about 100 yards or more to the left of the real start. Seems to be people are going up the wrong way on the start.
When we were going up to this incident we caught up to two more people who were approaching this start. I told Link to tell them they are going the wrong way! The reporting party was also going that way and that’s how he was discovered.
People make sure you know where you’re going and if you are unclear ask around first. "
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=99281&f=0&b=0
That explains it a lot better, Werner, as a 100 year resident of Yos and SARS member would have the true story.
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crimpandgo
Sep 16, 2005, 4:36 PM
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In reply to: Sounds like he fell on Snake Dike. 100' fall wouldn't kill you there IMO, makes you wonder what the real story is. Must have been higher up. ___________________________________________________________ Added, lets give freetosaytake a little slack, dude days he's 24 years old and never even trad climbed. At some point the black hole that is free soloing will grace his life like it seems to catch most of us and he'll grow as an individual. Snake Dike would be an awesome Free Solo. I've not done it yet but you'd think it should be on the list.
First, what ever gives you the idea falling 100' won't kill you?
Second, Where in the articles does it say the person was free-soloing? Is it possible he was rope soloing?
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tradmanclimbs
Sep 16, 2005, 4:40 PM
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Various sorces indicate that the climber was rope soloing and most likly off rt.
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billcoe_
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In reply to: First, what ever gives you the idea falling 100' won't kill you? Second, Where in the articles does it say the person was free-soloing? Is it possible he was rope soloing?
1st, Sure a 10' fall could do you in, at that location I was incorrectly guessing he was on, at 100' you would be on a gentle slab, death unlikely.
2nd: You are correct.
As info and the real story comes out , the only trueism is that some poor souls friends and family will be suffering his loss. We all wish them well.
what Dingus said: "there but for the grace of God goes I."
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justsaynototake
Sep 16, 2005, 6:08 PM
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First of all, being new (which I am not) or not doesn't mean s#it as far as an opinion goes. Second, in no way did I say that this guy deserved to die. Nobody deserves to die. I just feel that there is a limit to safety. I agree that anyone could die even in a toprope situation. But we all know that this is highly unlikely. At least in that case, if you should fall 100 ft and still live you will at least have a companion there with you so that you can at least have some sort of chance of living. So I guess what it boils down to is what you feel is safe. In my opinion even soloing a 5.5 is stupid because even a 5.13 climber can slip and fall. And in that rare case that a 5.13 climber would slip on something like a 5.5, if they are alone then they would be SOL if they fell 100ft. But of course that is my opinion. Obviously most of you have formed your own.
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killclimbz
Sep 16, 2005, 6:15 PM
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In reply to: First of all, being new (which I am not) or not doesn't mean s#it as far as an opinion goes. Second, in no way did I say that this guy deserved to die. Nobody deserves to die. I just feel that there is a limit to safety. I agree that anyone could die even in a toprope situation. But we all know that this is highly unlikely. At least in that case, if you should fall 100 ft and still live you will at least have a companion there with you so that you can at least have some sort of chance of living. So I guess what it boils down to is what you feel is safe. In my opinion even soloing a 5.5 is stupid because even a 5.13 climber can slip and fall. And in that rare case that a 5.13 climber would slip on something like a 5.5, if they are alone then they would be SOL if they fell 100ft. But of course that is my opinion. Obviously most of you have formed your own.
Your profile says you have been "climbing for about a year". Yep, a year of climbing makes you a very sage and experienced crag rat. Your experience shows in your post above. Everything you read in a book must true...
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billcoe_
Sep 16, 2005, 6:29 PM
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Re-take:
In reply to:
edited to remove earlier quote and say you are not and A$$, you might even have said something many of us were thinking, it just came out rough.
My take on take: your earlier words would sound especially grating, harsh, unpleasant, and upsetting to someone who has just lost a loved one.
Now that we have changed our posts, it makes people who attacked you, but did not quote you, look to be like mentally challenged weirdo's.
Your words are now (mostly ) gone, thanks.
This post was edited... duh.
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justsaynototake
Sep 16, 2005, 6:31 PM
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Now you are just looking for reasons to argue with me. So in response that I must remind you that although I have only been climbing for a year and a half, I have been climbing off of your mom for way longer than that. And I use a rope even for that.
And I guess I am being judgemental because I feel that it is an all too common thing that you read about someone who fell and got injured or died for a reason such as this.
I agree that what I said may be pretty harsh for his family and friends and for that I am sorry. But it was meant more as a statement of my opinion on doing stupid things in climbing which can easily end up bad.
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tradmanclimbs
Sep 16, 2005, 6:43 PM
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LOSER :roll:
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jakedatc
Sep 16, 2005, 6:48 PM
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Take..
you also have to understand that i bet at least a few of the people that have posted before you have had partners, friends, people they know, people they've seen get hurt or die climbing. Now how would you feel if you were in their shoes..
your skimming (because you obviously arent reading closely) skills in this thread have failed you.. the climber it seems was rope soloing (using a rope and gear but belaying themselves) not Free soloing (climbing with no rope or any pro)
condolences to the family and friends..
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