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punk_rocker333
Sep 29, 2005, 9:32 PM
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They are selling some used hexes at my local climbing shop for $3 a piece. They are slung with what I think is pieces of static rope. Could I buy these hexes and re-sling them with small dynamic webbing with a water knot in between and still have a safe piece of pro? If not good for leading could they be used as top rope and rappel anchors? The hexes themselves are in good shape but I don't really trust the slings. thanks
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greenketch
Sep 29, 2005, 9:42 PM
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My question is why would you want to resling with dynamic webbing, and if you do where are you going to buy it? Otherwise yes, you can resling hexes. Most of the time that is done with a static matereial like accessory cord or standard webbing.
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jimfix
Sep 29, 2005, 10:01 PM
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Nope, once the cord gets old, you have to throw em' out. Of course you can resling them, but if you want webbing send them away to get done but a climbing manufacturer. A water knot will hold, but you'd have to retie it every now and again. My advice is use cordallet etc. A triple fisherman's is bomber. Oh yeah, check the holes for burrs and file/sand any away. This shouldn't be a prob with hexes that have never been wired, but you can't be too sure they haven't.
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punk_rocker333
Sep 29, 2005, 10:15 PM
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In reply to: My question is why would you want to resling with dynamic webbing, and if you do where are you going to buy it? Otherwise yes, you can resling hexes. Most of the time that is done with a static matereial like accessory cord or standard webbing. Sorry, I thought you would have to put dynamic webbing on the hexes. Is there even such a thing as dynamic webbing? My knowledge on gear isn't very extensive, especially the terminalogy. What diameter of chord or what size webbing is best for hexes?
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hopper
Sep 29, 2005, 10:38 PM
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Old school hexes were only sold to be slung. They are drilled for 7mm cord, the same stuff you'd use for a cordalette. Newer ones usually only come wired. However, if the wires are removed, they are usually slung with 5.5mm tech cord of some sort. This kind of cord also has some stiffness, making certain placements easier. Getting the 5.5m m cord through the holes in the hex can be tight, so there is a special way to fuse the ends. Your local gear shop should be able to help, or you can do a search here. If these are BD Hexes, you can fit a double fisherman's knot inside sizes 8 and up, using a triple when it fits. Apart from that, an external triple fisherman's knot is standard. As for the integrity of the hexes themselves, that is up to you to look at and decide what you'll trust them for. You'll be climbing on them, after all.
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afiveonbelay
Sep 29, 2005, 10:44 PM
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Three bucks apiece? Purrfect gear for bailing on. ps: triple fisherman on one of the super strong spaghetti string cords.
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gunkiemike
Sep 30, 2005, 2:48 AM
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In reply to: Is there even such a thing as dynamic webbing? No. And I second the suggestion that webbing knots get loose frequently enough to be a PITA. Use 5.5 mm high strength cord instead. The store should have this cord and show you what to do with it. Make sure you get the expensive ($1+ per foot) cord, NOT plain vanilla 5 mm *nylon* (AKA perlon).
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punk_rocker333
Sep 30, 2005, 4:10 AM
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Bought em. I'll post pictures as soon as they pass my photo.
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punk_rocker333
Sep 30, 2005, 6:55 AM
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Here's some pictures (3) of the hexes. I reslung them with new static line. All together the setup was $16.88 for 4 hexes and 12 feet of line (6 and 7mm). I think that is pretty good. They're heavy and bulky but will work well enough for top rope anchors and bail gear. Hell, maybe I'll even lead with them if I'm feeling ambitious.
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punk_rocker333
Sep 30, 2005, 6:58 AM
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sorry, here's some links to the pictures if you're interested. http://www.rockclimbing.com/photo/photo_show.php?list_sort=highest_first&list_keyword=&list_category=0&list_filter_user_id=&list_comment_user_id=&list_per_page=25&list_album_id=&list_CountryStateID=&list_AreaID=&list_SectionID=&list_mode=my&list_period=None&list_start=17&id=61957 http://www.rockclimbing.com/photo/photo_show.php?list_sort=highest_first&list_keyword=&list_category=0&list_filter_user_id=&list_comment_user_id=&list_per_page=25&list_album_id=&list_CountryStateID=&list_AreaID=&list_SectionID=&list_mode=my&list_period=None&list_start=16&id=61958 http://www.rockclimbing.com/photo/photo_show.php?list_sort=highest_first&list_keyword=&list_category=0&list_filter_user_id=&list_comment_user_id=&list_per_page=25&list_album_id=&list_CountryStateID=&list_AreaID=&list_SectionID=&list_mode=my&list_period=None&list_start=15&id=61959
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daithi
Sep 30, 2005, 9:58 AM
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Listen to the comment made on the first photo to lengthen the tails on the knot.
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gunkiemike
Sep 30, 2005, 10:02 AM
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YOW!!! Let's get a little tail, huh?! On those knots, I mean.
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afiveonbelay
Oct 2, 2005, 2:26 AM
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way to go punk_rocker333!!! you're now on the road for scrounging climbing gear and other various dumpster diving activities ps: if anybody teases you about cowbells, whack them over the head with those suckers.
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Oct 2, 2005, 2:33 AM
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:)
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In reply to: Here's some pictures (3) of the hexes. I reslung them with new static line. All together the setup was $16.88 for 4 hexes and 12 feet of line (6 and 7mm). I think that is pretty good. They're heavy and bulky but will work well enough for top rope anchors and bail gear. Hell, maybe I'll even lead with them if I'm feeling ambitious. $1.00 per foot (usually more) is what 5.5mm (or rarely 5.0mm) high strength cord costs. this type of cord is not like climbing ropes. this type of cord is not like accessory cord. it is designed to be very high strength even though it's so small. a tripple fisherman's knot should be tied in this high tech cord. tails are good if they are over 2-inches long. (rule of thumb for length of tail in round cord is 10-times the diameter of the round cord) if you don't use 5.5mm high tech cord, then you might choose to use 7mm accessory cord. it's usually cheaper. with accessory cord a double fisherman's knot is safe, with tails 2.5-inches long. your post says you used 7mm and 6mm accessory cord. your first picture you linked has a caption that says 6mm and 5mm accessory cord was used. both 6mm and 5mm accessory cord are not adequate to sling hexes with. they are both too weak. i understand you stated your primary intention was for top rope anchors. but i think it's better practice to equip these hexes with usual and customary cordage. and later you admitted you just might lead on these pieces. it would be very easy to break 5mm accessory cord if it were used to sling a hex when a lead fall occured. it would also be fairly possible to break 6mm accessory cord. i also understand you might not want to untie the 6mm cord(s) and any 5mm cord(s) and replace with expensive 5.5mm high tech cord. the choice is yours, afterall. but i wanted you to understand normal standards. David Yount.
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megableem
Oct 5, 2005, 2:31 AM
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In reply to: Of course you can resling them, but if you want webbing send them away to get done but a climbing manufacturer. A water knot will hold, but you'd have to retie it every now and again. If you join supertape webbing with a fisherman's knot, it will not untie in your lifetime. You can even get away with pretty short tails. But stiff cord makes the hexes easier to place, in my opinion.
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