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jeffrogers
Nov 23, 2005, 7:05 AM
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Not to mention climbing in a life jacket or drowning. Plastice boots aren't know for their aquatic travel ability. I would go if it was real just because it sounds cool. And swimming is super neato and fun. Just remember if J-LO and Ben Affleck had given up on their dreams then we would have never been blessed with the miracle that is "Gigli"
Good luck
Jeff
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spoon
Nov 23, 2005, 9:39 AM
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As moeman pointed out, you wouldn't even be close to the tallest artificial wall in the world.
www.climbing.com/photo/ climbingmag1/index28.html
sorry
edit: well, crap. the link won't work. but if you do a google image search for "dam"+"climbing" then the 11th hit on the second page should be a picture of Philippe Poulet climbing a 500 ft damn on plastic holds.
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mcgivney_nh
Nov 23, 2005, 10:52 AM
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In reply to: Three pitches of climbing. Yes, three pitches. A 225 foot vertical tower with a each wall being 30 feet wide. Roughly 108,000 sq feet of climbing surface. That is right. Imagine going to the gym and having the chance to climb one-two-three pitches. Sport Lead- hanging belays and standing belays
Since I couldn't even wrap my mind around leading trad in a gym, I just wanted to ask how long the rope you climb on is?? I'm pretty sure that you could climb 225 feet in about a pitch and a half on a 60 and if you were seriously interested, a 75 might get you a single pitch climb...
(rappell in two pitches or carry a secong rope...)
-Sean
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tgreene
Nov 23, 2005, 12:33 PM
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I'm gonna build a Levitation Gym!
We'll all just float around with our legs in the Lotus position, while listening to Yanni for many blessed hours on end... Feel The Love and Tranquility.
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andrewph
Nov 23, 2005, 2:22 PM
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In reply to: As moeman pointed out, you wouldn't even be close to the tallest artificial wall in the world..........Philippe Poulet climbing a 500 ft damn on plastic holds.
http://climbing.com/...hilippe%20Poulet.jpg
if not try clicking here
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dynosore
Nov 23, 2005, 2:27 PM
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I'm not an engineer but I play one at work sometimes. The foundation and size of structure needed to support a wall this tall would be outrageously expensive I would think. I'd bet a million bucks wouldn't even begin to cover it. On the other hand, if you built it in Michigan we'd be lined up to climb it.
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themightyjimbo
Nov 23, 2005, 2:46 PM
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actually the idea isn't all THAT crazy. the gym in dallas built out of an abandoned concrete grain storage tower is over 100 feet tall. there are lots of options with something like that. but true multi-pitch climbing? not in this country. nobody would insure it. the only artificial option i know of in the world would be on the side of a dam.
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tgreene
Nov 23, 2005, 3:05 PM
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In reply to: not in this country. < snip> the only artificial option i know of in the world would be on the side of a dam. |
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brent_e
Nov 23, 2005, 3:15 PM
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In reply to: dude. not hard at all... just dig a big ass deep hole, pour some big ass tall foundation walls, and then build your wall there. then it can be 17 stories from top to bottom, but not be this monstrosity on the local landscape. you could have people rap in...
true, but it would always be wet!!!!
Brent
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heiko
Nov 23, 2005, 4:26 PM
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My wonder: what's the use? to practice rope-management? to climb more than one pitch in a day? to see what a hanging belay feels like?
nothing you couldn't do in a normal gym, if they're smart enough to have a few routes with an anchor half-way up.
I would appreciate a gym with full rope-length climbs, tho. But multi-pitch... I don't know.
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veganboyjosh
Nov 23, 2005, 4:53 PM
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for the record, and those who thought i was halfway serious, the deep water indoor ice gym was a joke. not so much a joke as a "wouldn't it be cool if..." that comes up everytime we're all out climbing, and something crappy happens, and i mention that "this kind of thing won't happen in my ice gym"...
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mtikusis
Nov 23, 2005, 5:07 PM
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Maybe both of you could get together on the idea and start a 17 story deep water soloing gym. Ohhh and you could even give points for the tricks they do when they fall like a triple backflip would equal 30 points. When they reach a certain amount of points they get a free pizza party. Yeahhhhhh!!!!
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sogwap7
Nov 23, 2005, 5:13 PM
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Can i bring my portaledge?
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billbaz
Nov 23, 2005, 5:13 PM
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In reply to: In Edinburgh a quarry site was purchased an atrium was constructed above it.
http://www.adventurescotland.com/
Its a brilliant facility & I know that when the Youth World Championships were held there last year there were envious mutterings heard in a few different dialects. Word of warning tho it went slightly over budget (£12M) to be exact so its not a lightly taken enterprise. :wink:
Bill
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codhands
Nov 23, 2005, 5:35 PM
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All you have to do is move to Japan and those guys would eat it up, they love building crazy $hit!
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thrmaln
Nov 23, 2005, 5:45 PM
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Hey Billbaz,
That facility in Scotland is amazing. My family emigrated from Scotland to Canada to the States way back and I have always wanted to visit one day. Now I see I will need to bring my gear when the time comes. Wish we had something like that in the California. Although we do have an all year climbing season outside in California, so I can't complain, but still it's amazing and I am jealous.
Best regards,
Marc Webster
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billbaz
Nov 24, 2005, 9:42 AM
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Hey Marc, You do tend to find Scots folks inhabit a few corners of the globe now :D I was there (Ratho) last night & it was bloody freezing :x
If you ever get across here let me know & we can grab a few climbs together. Am a bit envious of your weather there but it looks like its going to be a really cold winter here so the Ice Climbing should be good :twisted:
C Ya
Bill
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chossmonkey
Nov 25, 2005, 3:52 PM
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Work out a deal with the Stratosphere in Vegas. There could be multi-pitch on the columns and a smaller gym somewhere else near by to overcharge the all the tourists that want to try climbing and make lots of money.
Who cares that Red Rocks are so close, it would be very novel, I'd do it once just because. Think about it, you could whip out a quick multi-pitch route before catching your flight home later the same morning, at the end of your RR trip. The casino could even pay climbers to climb it to attract the attention of the tourists, then it wouldn't be customers but employees and insurance wouldn't be so much.
Shit! I forgot about OSHA they would probably make you wear a full body harness and climb on a 15 mil rope. :x
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squid
Nov 25, 2005, 5:50 PM
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Dude, three pitches, seriously. That's awesome. When is it going to be open so I can make sure to clear my schedule. Dumbass
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mped
Nov 27, 2005, 10:55 PM
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In response:
Three pitches. Some will be two pitches, but for really hard pitches (inverted, overhang, awkard positioning such as traversing ) three pitches would be needed.
And my friends, I see the dam structure, well mine would be the largest indoor free standing climbing structure/tower.
Put aside all finances, liabilites, engineering.
My question is, if it was there would you want to climb three pitches indoor?
Benefits- practice multi-pitch while reducing risk (ie- don't have to worry about environmental factors. Reinforced steel weilded anchors) Rescue scenarios, etc. There could be really easy routes to speed climb and improve endurance, etc, etc. It will offer classes in which people could sleep on a portaledge overnight, learn how to haul gear up, and turn the light really low to mock night climb (possible rescue scenario/mock climb before the storm comes in). What about two pitches of perfect, vertical hand crack/finger crack/ off width?
Everything else aside, would you climb it if it was there?
ps- I know someone who will insure it. :wink:
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tarzan420
Nov 27, 2005, 11:08 PM
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In reply to: What about two pitches of perfect, vertical hand crack/finger crack/ off width?
Isn't that what the creek is for?
In all seriousness, I'm not sure that I'd bother going to such a gym - half the reason I climb is to be outside, instead of working on my flourescent tan.
Personally, if someone was learning multipitch stuff, whether for rescue or just recreational climbing, I'd want them to be comfortable enough with their outdoorsmanship (is that a word) that dealing with a little weather outside wouldn't be a problem.
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chalkpaw
Nov 28, 2005, 3:38 AM
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My question is MPED: how often are you going to change the routes out on a three pitch climb? :roll: Nothing more boring for the jet set if it sits unchanged for months at a time.
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jeffrogers
Nov 29, 2005, 1:34 AM
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I would go to it. Maybe not often but I would definitely give it a try. I don't think that means you could make money on it. But if you build it people will climb it.
jeff
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tnmountainman
Nov 29, 2005, 1:58 AM
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Oh Yeah as somebody already mentioned the Insurance. Yes the insurance, the insurance, the insurance. The Gym that I frequent is about 48' tall and in aprox, a 40'x40' building. Not really 40'x40' of climbing once you figure in all the cuts that the walls make, my point is it is not a really huge place. I called the owner and was picking his brain about costs of starting a gym and he said that the insurance cost for a year was about...........................................................Are you ready?????????????..................................... $25,000
And if I know Ins. Co.s they will be wanting about 5k up front and 5k every quarter. Now that is the bucks, With the place that you are talking I'd say probably double that if not more. Still I say I wish you well in your venture
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fluxus
Nov 29, 2005, 2:03 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: a total nut job would propose such a thing. The said the same for the airplane
who is "The"?
I've been in and around the indoor climbing gym business for 14 years. While what you are proposing may have a significant "cool" factor for some, it CLEARLY has no basis in the real finincial world of rock gyms. No basis in the real world of insurance and state regulation of rock gyms. No basis in the actual uses of rock gyms.
I still say this thread is the work of a TROLL.
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