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avitripp


Jan 5, 2006, 8:04 PM
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If anyone has some of the russian aider stirups/hooks I'd like to see some pics. Particularly close-ups of the Titanium hook apparatus. A buddy of mine welds Ti and we are going to make some....we just need a closeup. Some shots of the webbing would be nice too. Thanks!


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http://www.alvoti.ru/katalog/ito_big_wall/ Scroll down to item #67.00. It helps to read Russian, but there is a pic. I could dig mine out but I'm lazy now and I'd have to borrow my GFs camera. PM me if you really need something better.


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Way too much time on my hands. You're probably looking for better photos but these are all that I know of.

http://www.fishproducts.com/pics/aidtrees.jpg
http://www.fishproducts.com/catalog/newestnew.html


http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7308/16870vo.jpg
http://www.alvoti.ru/katalog/ito_big_wall/


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Have you seen this article by kungfu climber? It's got everything you need to know about making your own Russian aiders (or at least seems to, I haven't done it yet - maybe you can think of some mods which would improve them)
http://www.rockclimbing.com/articles/index.php?id=115

Enjoy!

Will


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Thanks everyone....I've seen all those photos. What I need is a REALLY GOOD close-up of the titanium hook and how it is attached to the webbing harness. The pics on all these sites are just too small. So, if anyone has some of these things and access to a camera....please pm me. I have a buddy who welds Titanium. Once we suss out a good design we'll make a prototype or two, then maybe a few tiny production runs once we have the bugs out...


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Maybe you should ask your question on http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/forum.html


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Maybe you should ask your question on http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/forum.html


I did that first....


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my wall partner on my 1st and 3rd walls used a pair of those. from what i remember they were basically a skyhook with a wider base side, cut from a piece of Ti sheet then bent to form. before being bent (i would imagine) i seem to recall two slits through which the 1" webbing was threaded. seemed the webbing was threaded through knee cuff, free floating such that he could rotate the wear pattern and it could be easily replaced as well. I recall a metal buckle sewn on the end. the padded knee cuff was shown above. the strap that goes under the instep is key too.

He had some good ideas about the ring trees though that made really good sense to me. Rather than have pairs of rings attached opposite one another with 2-3 inch tabs as shown in the photo above, he stitched two strands of webbing with single rings on each spaced opposite for each aid-tree. this allowed him to put a little body-english into reaching the next placement, not having his knees locked together. can you picture that? his bottom rings were one of the heavier fixe welded shuts, which helped to keep them hanging properly in the afternoon winds.

I'll see if ^dude^ has a minute to take some pics. He tends to be quite busy, so I wouldn't hold my breath.


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I've got a pic of the ones I made for myself. Click my name to the left and look for my photoes. I originally made a set of aid tree too, but later bought a pair from Fish, they are much better and lighter than mine. I've been up probably 25-30 pitches in these things.

I should have put the buckle further to the back of the leg. Righ tnow they are on the side where they are the comfiest, but they take much more abrasion right where the webbing goes through the cinch buckle.

The home depot hook is much bigger than necessary and catches on a lot of stuff. I keep threatening to take a vise and a hack saw to them. Figure out a hook first, and build the rest around them.


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