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trainor


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mine's been on backorder from moosejaw.com for almost 2 months now, i wanna know how many people have actually gotten their hands on it because they're tellin me BD had problems with production. i know some people have, but is it in full production yet.


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I got mine a couple of weeks ago from REI. They have them in the store and on the web page.

JL


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I suppose i don't count, since i did the review on the product, but i saw a bunch of them at my local REI a week or two ago. I think I also saw them at the RRR over the weekend, although my brain may be a bit fuzzed on that.

hadnt heard about any production problems, although from my conversations with BD about the device, i understand that the design makes production more complicated than the regular ATCs and ATC-XP's, so maybe they are still refining their mass production process....


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I got mine before most stores were carying them by ordering direct from BD on their website.

-bob

ps- its worth the wait. A sweet device for sure.


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ps- its worth the wait. A sweet device for sure.
Agreed! I think my grigri will get left behind on multi-pitch from here on.

JL


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i read the review but that was out for a while and i wanted to see the general concensus and how many peole have actually gotten it. i've only heard a couple of opinions. mines on the way, i just have to wait another week or 2.


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My local REI is selling it in the store and I got mine like a couple days after they came out direct from BD. Cancel that order and go get one from some place that can keep them in stock, 2 months is way to long to wait for one of those.


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Both my husband chossmonkey and I got our ATC guides in time for our trip to Red rocks last week. Very nice to use, combines the best of both worlds of the Reverso and the ATC-XP.


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I got mine about 2 months ago and really like it. My favorite part is the sweet dooby holder built into it, or wait is that for releasing the belay?


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i've been looking for a place to put my blunts.



problem solved.


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i've been looking for a place to put my blunts.



problem solved.

Damn, Now I've got to get me one these 'thangs.


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i got one out at nomad ventured in joshua tree! iv only used it once but i like it alot and its really gunnaq come in handy!


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I have mine from the REI. I need to hurry up and sharpen my reverso from use so I can justify the buy. Sometimes I have secret feelings of shame of being a gear slut. :lol:


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I've had my test one for awhile now, I really like it.

We also have them at Wilderness Exchange Unlimited for those of you in Denver you like to stop into our wierd little place.


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I like my ATC Guide. The first thing I noticed was that it feeds nice and smoothly. Unfortunately I can't say too much about it since I haven't used it much yet. The one, and insignificant, qualm I have with it is the narrow rope slots. It's difficult to feed the fat ass gym ropes through it. My, well cared for, ropes work great though. Overall I'm happy with it so far.


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Seems about twice as heavy as a Reverso...for those weight weenies out there, like myself. I'll be sticking with my Reverso which works just fine.


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i got one with my dividend, the day the notice came in the mail...

i love it. i have yet to use the autoblock feature, but i totally dig the other features.

i previously used an atc-xp, but tended to stick with the non-toothed side when belaying and rapping. the teeth just gripped too much to make it worth using. feeding of rope (in either scenario) was too uneven and/or difficult.

not so with the guide. the teeth are much more moderate, but they'll bite if you need them to. i rapped the same route twice today, and once i used a different side each time.

i was able to rap faster with the toothed side, since braking was much easier. with the non-toothed, i had to pinch the rope with my hand more, so it heated up, making me wanna go slow.
with the rope in the teeth, i could loosen my grip, and let the device/angle of the rope do the work.

to anyone who's getting a new device, i'd recommend this one.

unless weight is a concern, in which case you'd want a reverso.


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unless weight is a concern, in which case you'd want a reverso.

Or a b-52...which, IMO, seems to be better for smaller diameter ropes, and I'm pretty sure it's lighter too. (not that it's a big deal)

Jim


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The one, and insignificant, qualm I have with it is the narrow rope slots. It's difficult to feed the fat ass gym ropes through it.

Yeah!!! I did notice that the guide seems to be just a tad thinner on the rope slots than does the ATC-XP. I guess it doesn't really matter though, as getting a thick rope through isn't that big of a deal.


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The one, and insignificant, qualm I have with it is the narrow rope slots. It's difficult to feed the fat ass gym ropes through it.

Yeah!!! I did notice that the guide seems to be just a tad thinner on the rope slots than does the ATC-XP. I guess it doesn't really matter though, as getting a thick rope through isn't that big of a deal.

well, remember- its only rated for ropes to 10.5mm...nothing thicker, so those fatty gym ropes are going to be annoyingly hard to stuff in there.


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The ATC Guide weighs 3.6oz (102g) and works better for rapping on skinny ropes. The rope doesn't feed as easy as the Reverso in the auto block mode, especially with a fat rope. For pure belaying the ATC Guide rocks too.

The Reverso weighs 2.8oz(80g) but rapping on skinny ropes can be downright terrifying, especially with a big pack and a free hanging rap. Over time the Reverso will get sharp on one side.

I've used both and feel the ATC Guide is a bit more versatile and raps better so it's worth the extra weight. If all you use are fat ropes then the Reverso is really good and I would go with it.


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Seems about twice as heavy as a Reverso...for those weight weenies out there, like myself. I'll be sticking with my Reverso which works just fine.
You've got to be kidding!

Reverso=81 g
ATC-Guide=102 g

The weight difference is less than a first-class letter! I guess that could cost you a redpoint . . . :lol: :lol:

JL


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The reversino weighs 57g and is rated for use with 7.5-8.2mm doubles/twins. I've rapped on it with my 8.1's (PMI verglas) and it's fine.


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I got mine about 2 months ago and really like it. My favorite part is the sweet dooby holder built into it, or wait is that for releasing the belay?

Trophy! Still laughing...


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The reversino weighs 57g and is rated for use with 7.5-8.2mm doubles/twins. I've rapped on it with my 8.1's (PMI verglas) and it's fine.

I'm sure the reversino works fine w/ skinny ropes, just like the reverso works fine w/ larger ropes.

The guide does both well.

A reverso and a reversino combined are heavier than on atc-guide. (although, unless you were using both larger and more skinny ropes in the same day, this would be a not weight issue, as you'd just cary one of the two. it would remain, however, a cost issue).

The reverso is a terrific device (although IMO inferior). Everything is a trade-off. If the 20g saved going w/ a reverso (or 35g saved going w/ a reversino) is more important to you the improved handling and versatility of the guide, by all means, enjoy your svelt device. For me the handinling and versatility is more important.

climb on.

-bob

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