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bonesz
Aug 24, 2002, 10:20 PM
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how 'bout this for a small idea...only to be devils advocate, climb two routes, one with bolts previously placed (by others). The other using only pro which you place. Think of how the skill level changes, on the one hand your taking the easy way out by using the bolt already in, on the other hand how many muscle pulls does it take to place a nut, or a cam that's slightly out of reach.
I agree that if you climb a lot and go woth bolts you stand to A: carry extra weight. B: your wallet loses weight, they aren't a fortune but, still you do leave the money in the rock.
Ask yourself this; whens the last time you saw naked beautiful rock ? Not damaged or comprimised bu drill and fill ?
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paintinhaler
Aug 24, 2002, 11:48 PM
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I do sometimes look at it and grown. Some places its pretty bad, the bolts. But I still sport climb. Its just part of it. I was thinking maybe if someone invented a sucksion cup bolt. So it would be like trad but the bolts are not there. So as you climb set sucksion cup pro. Maybe the army could invent it. Maybe someother than a sucksion cup, but still trying to think about some way you could have removable bolts. Nevermind, im stupid.....
[ This Message was edited by: paintinhaler on 2002-08-24 17:01 ]
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fisaacs
Aug 25, 2002, 12:52 AM
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Artificial Gravitation my friend, that's what the world of sport climbing needs and the physicists won't have for another few hundred or at least 50+ years. Till then I think we should just invent better "boltaflage" to keep them from being so damn apparent. Anodized rock-colored metal?
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rock_climbin_06
Aug 25, 2002, 1:37 AM
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I've always wondered about that. Do they make a camo type of bolt? That would be nice for different areas. They could make them blend in so the hikers really wouldn't care anymore. I'm still looking for them so my dad and I can place a route with the new routes.
-Adam
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bonesz
Aug 26, 2002, 2:12 AM
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Why not create them ourselves ? A little Testors brand hobby paint and they'd be next to invisible. Then again you need to remember where they are if you can't see them.
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john1987
Aug 26, 2002, 2:13 AM
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I don't think bolts should be used unless its a matter of life and death.
John
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the_elk
Aug 26, 2002, 2:44 AM
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Most of what I climb is trad... however, I am getting into a bit more of the sport side of climbing.
My theory, if it really matters, is this. If gear can be placed, there should not be a bolt. But if I'm climbin' it, and that bolt is already there, I'll use it.
It's really the 1st ascentionists perogative. But they should get permission from appropriate people involved, whoever that may be.
Cheers
Elk
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