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May 30, 2006, 6:26 AM
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dandruff1138
Jun 1, 2006, 2:12 AM
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Nice man. I almost cried there at the end. I too am saddened by what I take away from those who need it most. Keep up with the respect for nature, In a world of toughguys and such, i feel surrounded by people who look at me as an outsider for my beliefs in wildlife. Keep your integrity, something rare in this world. And really rare on this site.
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phazed
Jun 5, 2006, 6:23 PM
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The least you could have done was taken the deer home and eaten it man.
Free Food.
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boondock_saint
Jun 5, 2006, 6:48 PM
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I agree, you should have at least eaten it.
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mr8615
Jun 5, 2006, 6:49 PM
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In reply to: The least you could have done was taken the deer home and eaten it man. Free Food.
I agree, waste not... although nature rarely wastes anything. There are shelters which would gladly accept deer meat to feed the hungry. Plus it's delicious, the very best (and healthiest) red meat.
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freeskicolorado
Jun 5, 2006, 7:39 PM
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Pavement adds flavor.
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norm1057
Jun 5, 2006, 7:53 PM
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GIVE ME A BREAK!
I could understand your cry baby delima over hurting a human. But animals were put on this earth for our use. You should have definatly tried to contact a Game Warden and then salvage as much meat as possible. If not for your family, then at least for the numerous homeless people stuck in Ca. But given the crazy laws there, it's hard to say what else you could have done. I just find such weak ranting untolerable. People have gotten too far away from the basics of life found in mother nature.
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tylore66
Jun 5, 2006, 8:07 PM
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Loved the story, a little mushy perhaps but we need more people to respect nature so that in the future we will still have some nature left.
As far as eating the deer, was it summer?? I dont believe you can eat fresh venison, rabbit, or any other mammal meat due to parasites etc.
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microbarn
Jun 5, 2006, 8:21 PM
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In reply to: As far as eating the deer, was it summer?? I dont believe you can eat fresh venison, rabbit, or any other mammal meat due to parasites etc.
first off, what does summer vs winter have to do with anything?
Second, it isn't recommended to eat raw meat any more. Cooking the meat takes care of the parasites and diseases you are so worried about. Additionally, you are going to have a higher chance of diseases, food poisoning, parasites, and general mishandling of food when you get it from a supermarket. If you kill it, clean it, and cut it then you know what condition everything is in.
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kantkatchme
Jun 5, 2006, 9:47 PM
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i just about hit a deer once...totaled my car and the tree it hit instead.
i dunno what id do next time...it was kinda traumatic....i still drive super slow at night on back roads now...maybe it made me a better driver. ...maybe i wont hit anything now that ive had that experience....
maybe the deer should say thanks when we risk our lives to save theres....maybe we dont diserve to be driving when they were here first and we are taking over thier territory.....
i hate driving in and out of the city, (i do it frequently) but everytime we are plowing over more fields and building houses.....why?...
because we want to be closer to the nature that we are distroying?....i doubt that....who wants the bugs and the little critters on thier lawn....not the lady from "over the hedge" ....
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microbarn
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In reply to: i just about hit a deer once...totaled my car and the tree it hit instead. i dunno what id do next time...it was kinda traumatic....i still drive super slow at night on back roads now...maybe it made me a better driver. ...maybe i wont hit anything now that ive had that experience.... maybe the deer should say thanks when we risk our lives to save theres....maybe we dont diserve to be driving when they were here first and we are taking over thier territory..... i hate driving in and out of the city, (i do it frequently) but everytime we are plowing over more fields and building houses.....why?... because we want to be closer to the nature that we are distroying?....i doubt that....who wants the bugs and the little critters on thier lawn....not the lady from "over the hedge" ....
...I is reading RC.com to get closer to the inglish language.....We distroyin dat 2....
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kantkatchme
Jun 5, 2006, 10:49 PM
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pshaw.....
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tamtam
Jun 5, 2006, 11:12 PM
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The summer / winter thing is something of a myth, the presumption being that the fleas and ticks that live on mammals and spread disease die off during the winter because of the cold. Well, they don't. At least not here anyway. Plus, as already stated, proper cooking and handling practically eliminate the risk.
Some animals are prey, some are predators, some are both. Sometimes accidents just happen. I once saw an amature video (you'd never see this on Discovery or Animal Planet) where a little kid mountain goat was jumping and playing around. You guessed it. It jumped right off a cliff and was killed. Oops.
You didn't do anything wrong; it was just an accident. It shouldn't be the most horrible thing in your life. Many deer fall to much worse deaths from cougars, drought, hunger, wild dogs, disease, etc. On the other hand, just because some of us humans have the luxury of being able to choose what we eat doesn't transform the act of killing and eating other animals into anything unnatural or immoral.
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klong
Jun 5, 2006, 11:13 PM
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Bummer,
I'll relate my story of hitting a deer.
I was the passenger with my climbing partner, he drove to the crag at my suggestion at the meeting spot in the morning. From there we headed to the crag and had a great day of climbing.
On the way, home in rural Illinois, we crest a hill in the road. I instantly say DEER. And Deer a second time without feeling any slowing from the driver. Well the ford escort we were in hit the dear and scooped it over the hood, hitting the top of the windshield. At this moment I thought the dear was going to crash through the windshield and crush us or severely injure us both. Luck was with us.
My friend stops in the middle of the road. Mind you we just hit a dear, after cresting the hill. I suggest that he get off the road entirely, in case another car or SUV should crest the hill hitting us.
We immediately find the dear with crushed rear hip and legs struggling in the ditch. As an archery hunter I'm no stranger to handling wounded animals. They can be quite dangerous. To let an animal suffer and die in the ditch of dehydration and/or starvation is just inhumane. I did the only logical thing and ended the animals life.
It is not something one takes pleasure from. The animal was dead the moment it was hit, that fact had just not caught up to it yet.
I don't agree with those recommending eating the deer for several reasons: Since it was hit by a car most of the meet was probably ruined.
Secondly the adrenaline surge in a situation like that gives the meat a bad taste.
Thirdly, the game warden / High way patrol must be contacted if you are going to consume the animal.
You've got enough to deal with without all that hassle. Just leave it for mother nature to take care of.
Ken
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coolklimber
Jun 5, 2006, 11:32 PM
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The meat would have been bruised pretty badly so you should have just reported it.
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Jun 5, 2006, 11:49 PM
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Admit it, Majit, you swerved left so the deer would hit on your wife's side of the car. :twisted:
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majid_sabet
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In reply to: GIVE ME A BREAK! I could understand your cry baby delima over hurting a human. But animals were put on this earth for our use. You should have definatly tried to contact a Game Warden and then salvage as much meat as possible. If not for your family, then at least for the numerous homeless people stuck in Ca. But given the crazy laws there, it's hard to say what else you could have done. I just find such weak ranting untolerable. People have gotten too far away from the basics of life found in mother nature.
This is interesting because from a view of killer shark, polar bear, lions and all the other so called predators, we as human are placed on earth to be their food.
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sawtooth_ridge
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Re: Summer vs. Winter "meat"......
This is NOT in fact a myth. BUT, I'll clarify. To the best of my knowledge, this rule applies to rabbits only. (cotton-tail, jackrabbit, snowshoe hare, (all of 'em). Rabbits are host to Tularemia, a parasite in rabbits that has an active and a dormant phase. The parasite is active during the summer months, and exists as a dormant cyst-like structure in the muscles during the winter months. There is no risk to eating the dormant phase. I believe that undercooked meat is the real culprit during the parasite's active phase, but am not certain, so be safe.
Re: Eating Roadkill.
It is unlawful (in Oregon) to retrieve a fresh kill (for food or "otherwise") following a collision without first notifying Oregon Dept. of Fish/Wildlife for permission, which they rarely grant. Oregon has an official policy that, if an animal remains suitable for food use, ODFW will collect, dress, and distribute the meat to homeless shelters/etc. This NEVER happens, since the state employees are unable to attend to the kill within the necessary time frame.
Even if you are willing to just grab the carcass, there is so much trauma associated with a vehicle collision, that most of the meat is essentially spoiled.
Re: Sensitivity towards mowing animals down.
I'm more than a little hardened, since I live VERY rurally, and have been at the wheel for collisions with multiple species of animals.
1.) Aside from the societal guilt we should all have gnawing at us concerning our addiction to travelling more than 10 miles from "home",
IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT. Many animals have a "leap at the last second" instinct which automatically spells death on the highway. No changes in your driving behavior will really reduce the potential of a repeat collision.
2.) You are healthy and alive, and that's what REALLY counts. Deer collisions have the potential to kill people in the vehicle (they will come right through the windshield). This is another lesson learned from rural living. You think that it's hard to share time with a deer leaving our world for the next? You'll find it infinitely harder with a person.
3.) If you continue to recreate outdoors, especially if a great portion of your travel involves rural, paved highways (cars are silent), you can count on this happening again. If you're absolutely heartbroken, and left with the guilt of a murderer, give up climbing, hiking, camping, etc. and stay in the city where unrealistic empathy is both convenient and currently in vogue......
4.) My condolences. Having been there myself, and being more empathetic than I maybe ought, I really do sympathize. This sounds odd, but I hope you stayed with the deer until you felt its' spirit leave. That ethereal ending of all pain is dramatic, and the memory of it can help you heal, and learn much about your own mortality.
re: Deer here for our "use".
I've never been anything but totally disgusted by this attitude. Deer, and other animals are just like you, in that they are born, they throw their entirety into life, and they return to the great energy from whence they came. They were not "put here", especially not for the fat, lazy, domineering folks who equate killing an animal with grabbing lettuce off the supermarket shelves.........Stating your religious belief that animals are "beneath you" as if it were a fact is truly disrespectful to the many of us who choose to see the world differently.
Sorry to sound preachy myself. It's a bad habit.
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tamtam
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Interesting, I did not know that tulmeria had a dormant stage in the winter. Like you, I heard the winter/summer thing only applies to rabbits. But I've never heard that it is not contagious in cold weather. Our rabbit season is from Oct-Feb, which can have temp ranges from 0 to 80F. I'll have to look more into the tempurature thing.
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I remember a couple years ago, a friend and I were driving out to the crags. We don't have deer in the desert, but we do have tortoises. They're slow, stubborn and have poor eyesight. Obviously torts have little hope when they venture near the road, unless a person intervenes.
So there's a tort on the shoulder, slowly ambling along toward the main highway. My friend saw the tort before I did and immediately pulled over, picked the little guy up, walked a few meters into the desert, and plopped it down facing opposite of the road. Yeah, I swooned. I have a soft spot for tortoises (I keep a small Russian tortoise as a pet), and if you CAN reasonably keep an animal from being hurt, then you should. Alex routinely swerves when it's safe to do so when he sees a squirrel or a coyote. When it's not safe to do so, well, the squirrel or rabbit is smushed. I don't think animals were put here just to serve humans, but I do think we're superior enough beings that when it comes down to life or death (or serious injury) the human should come out on top.
With the deer, it was an accident that could have been much worse, and you did a good job in mitigating the damage. I don't like seeing anything die. But I'd sacrifice a deer to save myself or a member of my family with absolutely no lasting regret.
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I suppose I should reply to "tamtam" that my lesson on the life cycle of Tularemia is based largely on heresay.......Otherwise, I'm gonna get burned if the truth turns out to be otherwise!
Interesting.....I'm sure the original poster is thrilled that their shared story about a terrible experience turned into a discussion on the edibility of wild animals.....OH well, roll with the punches!
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phang_nga
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In reply to: GIVE ME A BREAK! But animals were put on this earth for our use.
Complete and utter religion-based bullcrap! :evil:
We should share the world with OTHER animals. That is the compassionate way that educated people think.
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sawtooth_ridge
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Well, I'll have to take exception to that, just as I take exception to the religious notion that the world is ours to use and abuse....
Equating compassion with education is pure elitism. When people say "educated" they ALWAYS mean one thing....."I spent money on a degree, therefore, I dictate what education is and what it isn't".
Just because you went to school doesn't mean that you KNOW ANYTHING. It means that you sat somewhere taking notes from someone else rather than directly engaging the world yourself.........
Compassion comes from the heart. Education is a toy of the mind.
And now, I sound like an idiot again. Very sorry. I've had too much wine tonight.....or maybe.....not enough!
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