I didn't mean how often does it happen to you, I meant how often does it happen, period.

Browsing the CDC it looks like there are 0.04 gunshot homicides per capita in the US per year. Compare that to 2.24 deaths/capita for heart disease and 2.0 for cancer.

This is why people are calling you guys paranoid....it's incredibly unlikely for you to be involved in a situation where your gun would be needed.

Is anybody's mind going to change here?

I got thrown out of a movie theater because they noticed I was packing three bananna cream pies. Some damn commie "no food from outside" policy. I don't know about you people but I never leave the house without my pies. What if I walk into a store and some clowns want to start a pie fight? I could show you many many instances of innocent people getting creamed just because they were too unprepared to defend themselves. I for one won't be cowed into giving up my constitutional right to defend myself and I'm willing to fight for it. Make pies illegal and only clowns will have pies. Where will we be then? I don't know where but we'll probably be forced to wear big floppy shoes.

Would I rather run away? Yep -- retreat is almost always the first and best option. If I can't, then I'd much rather have the option of drawing my gun than pulling a knife in order to stop the attack. It doesn't seem like such a stretch to understand why this would be my choice, but if you don't get it, then you just don't get it. I think you're in denial.

If someone is close enough to you to pull a knife as an actual threat and you pull a gun, chances are he will drop the knife and go for the gun. If you lose the gun your dead. Why do people think a gun is such an automatic victory?

I will take an empty handed knife defense against pulling a gun in a close situation anyday.

when the vca drops his knife and reaches for my gun, the only way I haven't shot him yet is if it's still in the holster.

in which case, I've disarmed him (though he did the work for me) and occupied at least one of his hands. Now I can pull my knife with my left hand and start cutting on him while my right hand keeps my weapon in it's holster. once he's well enough cut, and made aware of it, he'll let go and try to get away. That's when I draw my gun, take a few steps back as space allows and (wait for it...) see what his next move is.

Disarmed, and injured, most VCA's run, or try to reacquire their weapon and run. The ones that don't, well... I'd rather not sit through a grand jury hearing, but I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 (as the old saying goes).

Having a gun isn't an automatic victory. It's just another tool in the toolbox. I also have some tactical training in my toolbox. And a couple of knives. I've been through these scnearios with fake guns, training knives, and been on the attacker, defender, and wining and losing sides (won and lost from both sides of the scenario). Training isn't real life, but it's better than b---- about what you think might happen in some web forum based off of what you've seen in the movies or some other grasseater told you.

I got thrown out of a movie theater because they noticed I was packing three bananna cream pies. Some damn commie "no food from outside" policy. I don't know about you people but I never leave the house without my pies. What if I walk into a store and some clowns want to start a pie fight? I could show you many many instances of innocent people getting creamed just because they were too unprepared to defend themselves. I for one won't be cowed into giving up my constitutional right to defend myself and I'm willing to fight for it. Make pies illegal and only clowns will have pies. Where will we be then? I don't know where but we'll probably be forced to wear big floppy shoes.

Dude, there's no need to bust out with the name calling. He gave a resaonable response to how he would handle a CQC situation. If you don't agree with it -- fine -- it's your choice how you'd prefer to face close combat with a person armed with a knife. Mine would be different. If you have taken the time and made the effort to learn some self-defense techniques to give yourself a chance at surviving a knife attack, that's great. I think that's just another layer of preparedness you can add. But if you can do that, you can also take the time to do some very basic tactical weapons training and learn about weapon retention techniques and close quarter combat skills. Just another tool. As Tradman mentioned, a real fight is never cleat cut and by the book. Its bound to get messy regardless of training or preparation and it never goes as expected. That doesn't mean you should choose the weapons and options that give you the best chance for survival. You go hand to hand if you want. I'll draw.

I've disarmed him (though he did the work for me) and occupied at least one of his hands. Now I can pull my knife with my left hand and start cutting on him while my right hand keeps my weapon in it's holster. once he's well enough cut, and made aware of it, he'll let go and try to get away.

Your a tool...
Your a tool
Your a tool

There dont seem to be enough letter "O"'s in the word tool to describe what a tool you are.

and what if youre attacked with pickles?? those evil little green things.

borrowed form this thread...

considering that I'm more worried about being a victim of a generic violent crime than a specific homicide, I'll consider some different stats. from http://www.fbi.gov/...ent_crime/index.html
in 2004 there were 465 violent crimes per 100000 people. that's 0.4655% chance that I'll be a victim of such a crime in any given year. that doesn't take into account crimes against many people, or robberies of stores with many people in them. This is crimes reported per 100000 populous.

I don't know how those heart disease numbers were calculated, but I'm guessing you mis-communicated. as 2.24 deaths per capita per year would mean that everyone dies 2.24 times this year.

and yes, it is incredibly unlikely that I'll ever be in a situation where I'll need my gun. That doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to carry it.

Dude, there's no need to bust out with the name calling. He gave a resaonable response to how he would handle a CQC situation. If you don't agree with it -- fine -- it's your choice how you'd prefer to face close combat with a person armed with a knife. Mine would be different. If you have taken the time and made the effort to learn some self-defense techniques to give yourself a chance at surviving a knife attack, that's great. I think that's just another layer of preparedness you can add. But if you can do that, you can also take the time to do some very basic tactical weapons training and learn about weapon retention techniques and close quarter combat skills. Just another tool. As Tradman mentioned, a real fight is never cleat cut and by the book. Its bound to get messy regardless of training or preparation and it never goes as expected. That doesn't mean you should choose the weapons and options that give you the best chance for survival. You go hand to hand if you want. I'll draw.

Ed

AHAHAHAHAHAAAA!

Ed "The Snake" faces down another imaginary opponent in the mirror. He snarls and cracks his neck. "So you gonna draw, varmint? I'll draw" BAM! He spits juicily. "Ya shoulda drawn, boy".

(cue harmonica riff)

Meanwhile in the real world, is someone who's holding a knife pointed at you really going to let you fumble with your gun, get it out, unsafety it, point it at them and shoot? Or will they just stab you the instant your hand goes for the gun?

Elite ninja commando Rhaig-sensei fights with his mind. Or at least, all his fights occur in his mind. He seamlessly flows through the secret techniques of his imaginary art, or at least he will, or pretends that he will.

These scenarios are comical. Please post more (but try to avoid just ripping off the Steven Seagal films you're so obviously overly fond of would you? Thanks!)

:lol:

BUNCH OF STUFF

All that being said, I would rather have a gun in my hands than a cop on the phone.

beta
(mostly harmless)

and once you're stabbed once you're dead right? can't continue the draw motion and fire?

Elite ninja commando Rhaig-sensei senses the attack before it begins. He shifts seamlessly into weasel style and goes for his gun, turning the incoming blade on his shoulder, leaving no lasting damage other than a fetching scar which will make men respectful and women want to have sex with him. Despite the wound, he continues with his draw and shoots the evil man dead.

You really think he's going to stab you just once? When you've got a gun and are trying to kill him?

:lol:

Again, I appreciate that you're desperate to learn some hard and fast rule which will calm your fear of this sort of thing, but there isn't one. You could be stabbed 20 times and live, or die instantly from one wound.

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