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paulraphael
Jul 24, 2006, 2:57 PM
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I assumed everyone would, but I don't see them.
B.D. only makes keylock lockers in the larger sizes. Petzl only seems to make large lockers period.
I'd like something like the BD locking quicksilver, but with a keylock nose.
Thoughts?
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slacklinejoe
Jul 24, 2006, 3:05 PM
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While not tiny the BD Positrons aren't as large as most of the other key lock lockers out there. They are also a very smooth and light biner.
While nearly impossible to find in the US, I believe Faders makes some that fit what your talking about - they aren't super smooth but they are smaller than the positrons.
http://www.faders.es/...s/images/480-S-3.jpg
The real problem is of course that smaller lockers are less flexible - it's hard to get much into them for anchors.
If notchless isn't a absolute requirement Trango Superfly's are the lightest out there.
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vegastradguy
Jul 24, 2006, 3:06 PM
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the BD Positron and the BD Quicksilver are pretty much the same size/footprint.
the positron locker should fit the bill nicely. and its pretty cheap for a locker!
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taino
Jul 24, 2006, 3:33 PM
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In reply to: I assumed everyone would, but I don't see them. B.D. only makes keylock lockers in the larger sizes. Petzl only seems to make large lockers period. I'd like something like the BD locking quicksilver, but with a keylock nose. Thoughts?
Black Diamond Positron locker.
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paulraphael
Jul 24, 2006, 4:42 PM
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ahhh, thank you so much. that's exactly what i'm looking for. for some reason i couldn't find that on the bd site.
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treenail
Aug 11, 2006, 10:04 PM
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Check out the Mighty Mouse line of biners from ISC. They come in three locking gate configurations:
http://www.iscwales.com/info.htm
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kai_da_klimba
Aug 11, 2006, 11:42 PM
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That link didn't work and via their homepage I couldn't find biners that fit the desired criteria.
More for the record, Kong also makes a smaller, D-shaped screwgate biner with keylock gate. However, I prefer the Positron Screwlock. Their weights are similar if not identical, btw.
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off_route
Aug 12, 2006, 12:58 AM
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I was just at the gear store today (YES I spent money) and saw Wild Country's small keylock biner. Basically it's their oxygen biner with a kind-of funky nose that a screwgate goes over. Quite nice, light and smooth. Was $10.
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treenail
Aug 13, 2006, 12:24 PM
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The ISC biners #214 & #453 should fit your needs.
I'm not a huge fan of the locking mechanism with the sliding gold band found on #214. The more traditional twist lock mechanism on ISC biners is great.
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antiqued
Aug 14, 2006, 4:45 PM
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In reply to: The ISC biners #214 & #453 should fit your needs. I'm not a huge fan of the locking mechanism with the sliding gold band found on #214. The more traditional twist lock mechanism on ISC biners is great.
Treenail, you seem to be the pseudo-official spokesperson for ISC biners here. Looking at the pDF page describing the 453:
1: Can't believe that the gate opening of the autolock is >23mm, based on putting a ruler to the picture. Looks like you couldn't get an 11mm dowel in.
2. Have trouble believing that a biner of that size weighs only 53gm. I know it says >53gm - that isn't much help for someone looking for a lightweight biner.
3. Neither the pictures nor the text mention or show the keylock feature (yes, I see the lack of pin in the gate - not conclusive)
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treenail
Aug 14, 2006, 5:31 PM
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Treenail, you seem to be the pseudo-official spokesperson for ISC biners here.
I'm not taking on that responsibility :) ISC biners are amongst my favs for some applications. They make great gear but it's hard to get especially in the US though.
1: Can't believe that the gate opening of the autolock is >23mm, based on putting a ruler to the picture. Looks like you couldn't get an 11mm dowel in.
I don't have any of the 453 biners to weigh or measure. I do have one of the #214 with the gold sliding sleeve. The gate opening is a strong 3/4" or about 25/32".
2. Have trouble believing that a biner of that size weighs only 53gm. I know it says >53gm - that isn't much help for someone looking for a lightweight biner.
What weight are you looking for?
3. Neither the pictures nor the text mention or show the keylock feature (yes, I see the lack of pin in the gate - not conclusive)
Most, maybe all, of the ISC biner line has been redesigned to have no-snag noses.
When I was at the ISC factory last April Denny had his people build a #214 and put it on the breaking machine. The biner broke at about 12% higher than it's rating.
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caughtinside
Aug 14, 2006, 6:47 PM
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Well, it isn't keylock, but the trango superfly locker is small and way light.
You know, I've never really understood all the hype behind keylock. It's definitely a nice feature, but my gates very rarely catch, and it's more $$ for those things.
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zeke_sf
Aug 14, 2006, 7:16 PM
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more $$$ but then you have the best locker in town :) . BD positron, you my only friend...
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sonyhome
Aug 15, 2006, 3:22 AM
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Someone should volunteer 20 min to create a list of light lockers just as I did for regular biners.
BTW, the superfly locker is 37gr I think but it's a notch mouth.
Now a plug for that listing: :roll:
Light biner listing
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thegreytradster
Aug 15, 2006, 3:54 AM
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Reality check time.
What are lockers used for?
The odd "must not fail" piece of pro, (you probably need two at most for that)
anchors, (BIG gate openings and capacity are appropriate)
What is the big advantage of a key lock?
No snagging on quick clips! No snag Aid clip ins!
As quick clips and lockers are usually mutually exclusive concepts and situations, does this deserve extensive discussion / searching?
I own two key lock lockers. I bought them because I wanted a key lock for etriers for an aid climb and as I only do about one aid climb every ten years, was short on lockers, not wanting a single use item and what was available in a key lock non pear shape happened to be a locker, that's what I picked up.
In other words, I wouldn't have gone out of my way to look for one if I was primarily looking for a locker.
A Partner has a Petzl Attache and this is a good compromise in size, weight and shape, (accommodates a clove hitch well) for an anchor beiner. That it's a key lock is a minor bonus.
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zeke_sf
Aug 15, 2006, 7:14 PM
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In reply to: A Partner has a Petzl Attache and this is a good compromise in size, weight and shape, (accommodates a clove hitch well) for an anchor beiner. That it's a key lock is a minor bonus.
hmmm, I was thinking of getting the BD positron for trad anchor duties (I'm working on my first rack), but I didn't think of the clove hitch issue (I have 3 BD positrons and 1 quicksilver). they work great as TR/Sport anchors and other applications, but maybe I'll invest in some more versatile, albeit, larger biners. I have some crummy OP biners that have been workhorses for awhile. I use the attache as a belay biner with my Trango B-52. I love it in that combo anyway. keylock is nice, but not my highest priority.
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caughtinside
Aug 15, 2006, 8:12 PM
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zeke, you should be able to get cloves on your positrons and quicksilvers no problem. You can even get them on the superflys, but it's a bit of a squeeze.
I don't generally use big lockers at power points, because I don't want more than one thing on one biner. So, no need for a big biner, which aren't really stronger anyway. I'll just clip more biners to the power point of the anchor.
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slacklinejoe
Aug 15, 2006, 9:14 PM
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Ditto that clove hitches work on positrons.
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climbinginchico
Aug 15, 2006, 9:40 PM
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Positrons are my locker of choice for everything but belaying.
Dave- have you noticed superfly lockers unscrewing themselves? I've seen this happen- very disturbing. It's like the screwgate is too loose on the gate threads. :shock:
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caughtinside
Aug 15, 2006, 9:48 PM
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In reply to: Dave- have you noticed superfly lockers unscrewing themselves? I've seen this happen- very disturbing. It's like the screwgate is too loose on the gate threads. :shock:
I have not noticed this. I'll keep an eye open for it though.
I did buy a couple petzl amd ball lockers for aid climbing though, and I have taken them to use on anchors while trad climbing. I have to say, I've heard people's complaints about autolockers, but I thought they were pretty slick. I wish you could get a standard sized autolocker.
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climbinginchico
Aug 15, 2006, 9:51 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Dave- have you noticed superfly lockers unscrewing themselves? I've seen this happen- very disturbing. It's like the screwgate is too loose on the gate threads. :shock: I have not noticed this. I'll keep an eye open for it though. I did buy a couple petzl amd ball lockers for aid climbing though, and I have taken them to use on anchors while trad climbing. I have to say, I've heard people's complaints about autolockers, but I thought they were pretty slick. I wish you could get a standard sized autolocker.
I agree with you... I've actually been surprised that Petzl doesn't make a Spirit locker. I bet it would do well with the sport crowd.
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