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freakyclimber


Aug 20, 2006, 3:04 PM
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I go to this gym and the guys there are awsome!!!

but there is this certain law called the "child labor law" that wont let me work. I have tried to ask to volunteer as a route setter, take off, put on holds. they just wont go for it. any suggestions?

oh ya he said that he would hire me if there wasnt any legal obligations like there are! :x :x :( :cry: :cry: :cry:


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Get a job at a climbing gym in China.


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First off, where are you located and how old are you?


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I worked at a gym when I was 16. You just need a workers permit.


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1) I live in san diego

2) im 12,i no thats young and thats why


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Here is a crappy cut and paste job of some of the labor laws for youth in California. Sorry man, looks like two more years for you.

Age 14-15 Age 16-17



Work Hours 7 am to 7 pm from Labor Day to June 1st 5 am to 10 pm on school nights

Not during school hours 5 am to 12:30 am when there is no school the next day

7 am-9 pm from June 1st to Labor Day



Maximum Hours When School Is in Session 18 hours a week, but not over: 48 hours a week, but not over:

3 hours a day on school days 4 hours a day Monday-Thursday

8 hours a day Saturday-Sunday and holidays 8 hours a day Friday-Sunday and holidays



Maximum Hours When School Is not in Session 40 hours a week 48 hours a week

8 hours a day 8 hours a day

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My suggestion would be not to push the owner to do anything illegal. I'm sure if you did some research to find out if the labour laws do not disallow this, you may be able to figure out something along the lines of being able to volunteer in return for your membership at the gym? Climbing gyms are always looking for some good, hard working people to help out!


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ok, so if i were you i'd hang out at that wall as much as possible. You are 12, you have to be 14 to start working. Even volunteer work probably isn't very likely unless there is some reason why they need a bunch of people to belay on special events (climbing comps).

by hanging out there you get your face recognized, and hopefully you'll make some friends. If you're there often for the next two years the owner or manager or whoever will already know you when you apply for a job. Hopefully by then you'll have built up a decent relationship with them and they'll be willing to hire you.

Added perk to hanging out at the gym is that some gyms become lax when it comes to charging people that they know very well. You may actually end up climbing for cheap. However, just cause you spend your free time there, don't think that they owe you anything.

i know at my local gym there are people who show up just to hang out in the lobby/gear shop, in fact i've done so a few times for an hr before climbing... and then for up to 3-4 hrs after i got done climbing. It has been my observation that climbers are like snowboarders.... they sit around a lot and do nothing other than be social when given the chance.


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Aug 23, 2006, 5:17 AM
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kid,

don't be in any rush to start working.


svilnit


Aug 23, 2006, 5:33 AM
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yeah... no kidding. You have the next 60 years of your life for that. Just enjoy freedom while it lasts :)


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A couple of thoughts:

1) Volunteer and learn as much as you can about route setting and gym operations

2) Ask if you can help with the birthday parties (does your gym do birthday parties?) You can clean up the party room, help the parents move the food from car to party room, organize the kids, help the kids get into harnesses etc

3) For money making ideas, see if the gym will let you set yourself on the top of a climb and take digital photos of the birthday kids. Edit the photos while the kids are still in the gym and sell CDs of the photos or better yet, bring a laptop and printer and print out the photos.


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ok, so if i were you i'd hang out at that wall as much as possible. You are 12, you have to be 14 to start working. Even volunteer work probably isn't very likely unless there is some reason why they need a bunch of people to belay on special events (climbing comps).

Hopefully, when they do need a bunch of people to belay, they won't be using 12-year-olds.

Labor laws are from the days when children were not only allowed to work, but often required to, and the jobs were dirty, dangerous (sometimes fatal), hard, with long days for little pay. Though it might not seem like it right now, you (OP), are lucky and not being able to work right now is a minor inconvenience. You'll get your turn, and if you keep that level of ambition, you'll do well out there.

Having been working for 20 years myself, I wouldn't mind a summer off now and again. :)


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Hopefully, when they do need a bunch of people to belay, they won't be using 12-year-olds.

That really depends on the 12 year old...I coach a group of 9-12 year olds, yes some of them I wouldn't want to do it, but 8/10 of them I would have no problem with them belaying a group, and a few of the older ones already do. Belaying isn't really an age thing...some young ones don't get it, but there's also some 20-30 or older people that don't get it.


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I'm currently volunteering at my local rock gym. The gym only offers volunteer jobs in return for free membership. I started working there at 16 even though they require you to be 18 to work cause i was there for a long time and everyone knew me (also my bro is one of the original climbers there :wink: ) anyways there are some things you can try to do.

volunteer to do the dirty jobs [cleaning up after parties, washing holds, vacumming under the mats/behind the walls :twisted: ]

the photo thing is a good idea, like the rides at disney, I would suggest you delete the pics afterward though to avoid being creepy

also ive seen some kids that are members at my gym offer belays to customers/ birthday parties and they usually get tipped a 5. (careful though cause you do NOT want to drop a customer and you could get into a LOT a trouble so check if its okay first)

if you help out the gym a lot you may find money coming your way "under the table" after all old grannies mysteriously get their lawns mowed w/o the government knocking at their doors :lol:


freakyclimber


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LOL anyways i have alot of balaying experience and i guess some of the ideas are great!! thanks :tinfoilhat: yes falling children would not be good!! i have belayed adults from 150 lbs to low 200's w/ a teather.


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