My first thought when I heard about the recall/failure was how I tried multiple times to stop by CCH in Laramie and get some of my cams looked at and talk to them, possibly pick up some cams. After 3 weeks, I got ahold of someone and his excuse was they were too busy smoking pot (that was summer 2003 and I haven't purchased an Alien since).

Except the recall wasn't in 2003, it was announced on January 12, 2006... What we have here is a 3 year difference between your statement and reality... We also have a very libelous statement that has been made for the sole intent in harming anothers' reputation.

OK dad. And by the way, if you think a green Alien and a #1 Ball Nut constitutes "thin :shock:" gear, you need to get out of Arkansas.

I think climbing with Aliens is akin to playing Russian Roulette.

I also completely agree with the statement that these forums should be treated as gossip and critically as such. I vividly remember my 7th grade English teacher telling my class that we need to learn to read and think critically, otherwise the whole world can take advantage of us.

Thats why, IMO, moderation, like that of Mr. Box, and demands to "not cry wolf", like that of Mr. Greene, are just as obnoxious and mind-numbing as the ignorant posts they attempt to address.

What part of the recall being in the summer is 2003 is true..? :?

Errrr, got it... It was a misread on my part, due to way too much s--- going on right now (like as in this very moment - IE: Bachar/Karafa thread.)

tgreene - I would just like to point out from earlier, it was not the trigger of the TCU that failed, it was the thumb bar. (Or so the owner said). PM me if you wish to discuss what I think happened.

Except the recall wasn't in 2003, it was announced on January 12, 2006... What we have here is a 3 year difference between your statement and reality... We also have a very libelous statement that has been made for the sole intent in harming anothers' reputation.

Your statements have also been made with complete anonymity, which to many would show ill intent.

I have had many aliens blow on me, all the time.

Why the lack in details?? you have zero credibility without them.

Also, the new cams ARE being tested.. the cam you are talking about is from '04 why are you attacking CCH's NEW cams for an issue with an OLD cam?

i'd say post up some details or don your flameproof jacket

also, one forum is plenty of coverage for a weak ass story..

I've pretty much stopped following all this s--- about CCH. It's not like I expect any cam to hold high factor falls truly reliably. The facts are these:

1. cams are weaker than most other rock protection.

I've pretty much stopped following all this s--- about CCH. It's not like I expect any cam to hold high factor falls truly reliably.

As many of you are correctly aware, I've had absolutely zero knowledge or interaction with Aliens or CCH before the 1st of this year.

Over the past several months I have developed a solid report and working relationship w/ CCH, thus when comments begin flying, I'll often be the first to step forth and strongly suggest that we keep to the facts surrounding these incidents.

I have spent a helluva lot of time this past week researching this alleged accident on behalf of CCH, and we've been in constant communication morning, noon & night...

You must have missed the posts about the very recent Metolius and BD failures.

Sorry kids, but despite your feelings about the way Dave runs things, we can't possibly afford to lose another manufacturer.

You don't know what you are talking about.


Jay

Ha ha, dick thing to say but probably true. But fact is, most other rock pro is rated higher than 15 or 16 kN. You can generate that much force on a top piece, combined weight of fall and belayer on the other side. Would you feel comfortable taking a 150 foot high factor whipper on a cam? Personally I'd consider myself thoroughly f--- ed

Would you feel comfortable taking a 150 foot high factor whipper on a cam? Personally I'd consider myself thoroughly f--- ed