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tgreene
Aug 31, 2006, 12:30 AM
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Dammit, so that pic got lost in the same vast cyber hell as Dave & Goldy's 10 tickets..? Say it isn't so!!! 8^)
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dalguard
Aug 31, 2006, 12:31 AM
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Excuse me. While you're all having fun patting each other on the back and making sexual innuendos, I'd like clarification on one issue. When I brought my Aliens, purchased during the period in question, in to be inspected, the vendor did nothing but look for a dimple. Two had dimples and were returned to CCH. Two did not and were returned to me, completely untested.
I want to know which is true:
1. the vendor should have sent them all back for testing
2. CCH is rewriting history by claiming now that they all should have been tested but did not actually tell the vendor that at the time
3. the posted message from CCH fails to mention that this cam did actually have a dimple
4. the recall period and the dimple are a red herring and it's something else entirely that went wrong with this cam
Please advise as to the degree of this recall and, if it should have included all cams and not just marked ones, to whom you're attributing the mistake of my and my friends' cams not being tested.
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davelwang
Aug 31, 2006, 12:37 AM
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I just went to the CCH website and it still says that only the dimpled units are recalled.
Are they saying that all Aliens produced during the period must be returned and tested?
I love the Aliens and have been using them under the assumptions that the non-dimpled ones are up to spec. Is this the case or no?
Dave
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caughtinside
Aug 31, 2006, 12:51 AM
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Well, I picked through my rack and rechecked my aliens. All 18 of them.
2 are in the affected date range.
1 has no date at all.
15 outside the date range.
Trying to decide if I should send in 3, or if I should send in 18...
I still feel pretty good about them, but it seems like I should use this opportunity to be sure...
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tgreene
Aug 31, 2006, 12:56 AM
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The problem with this latest failure, is that while orange and clearly stamped 10-05, CCH does not actually have the cam in hand to be able to verify whether it's actually dimpled or not. Due to being orange and having the date code that it does, we're ASSUMING that it is in fact dimpled, but are absolutely not willing to take the miniscule chance that it may not be.
Keeping this in mind, CCH feels it's clearly in the best interest of everyone to have any and all cams that fall between 11-04 and 12-05 sent in to be tensile tested.
If you'll remember, the OP making this latest report was very matter of fact about it being a non-dimpled early 04 cam, even going so far as claiming to have photographed it (these pictures never surfaced), yet according to the Sheriff's Department, this is/was not the case.
I have not personally seen the actual pictures that have been provided by the Sheriff's Dept yet, but I can assure each and everyone of you, that the moment I do receive them, they will be posted!
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roseraie
Aug 31, 2006, 1:02 AM
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In reply to: Well, I picked through my rack and rechecked my aliens. All 18 of them. 2 are in the affected date range. 1 has no date at all. 15 outside the date range. Trying to decide if I should send in 3, or if I should send in 18... I still feel pretty good about them, but it seems like I should use this opportunity to be sure...
Man Dave, when did you get so many cams? You really ARE a trad climber now...
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paganmonkeyboy
Aug 31, 2006, 1:45 AM
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Tim -
Thanks
When you are in utah let me know and i will buy you a beer...
Tom
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tgreene
Aug 31, 2006, 2:10 AM
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In reply to: Tim - Thanks When you are in utah let me know and i will buy you a beer... Tom
:P
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maxtrax
Aug 31, 2006, 2:16 AM
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In reply to: Tim - Thanks When you are in utah let me know and i will buy you a beer... Tom
:lol:
If you really wanted to thank him you would NOT buy him a beer in Utah ;)
(maybe that was obvious but my sarcasmometer is turned off for the night)
Even though I don't have or climb with anybody who has any aliens I'm very interested to see the pictures provided by the sheriff's dept. as soon as they're available.
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ctardi
Aug 31, 2006, 2:21 AM
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I'm wondering if the photos will be mug shot style, or CSI style...
(I'm actually just replying to activate the email notifications)
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mtl_climber
Aug 31, 2006, 2:36 AM
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They will return the cams 1 week after receiving them ... so we should expect at least 4 weeks for the whole process. 4 weeks without climbing :shock: ... not sure I can afford that :)
In reply to: * I have been asked by CCH, to publish the following statement on their behalf. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: The Orange CCH Alien cam that was reportedly involved in the Paradise Forks incident, has turned out to be dated 10-05, rather than the highly publicized date of early 2004. This information has been verified the by the Coconino County Sheriffs Depart both verbally and in photographic form, with Dave Waggoner of CCH, during CCH’s own internal investigation. It is however still unknown if this unit was clearly dimpled. The window of the recall was 11-04 to 12-05, thus any Alien cams date coded during this period should be tested, dimpled or not. CCH will tensile test customers’ Aliens, of any manufacture date at no charge, to ensure that they will withstand a fall. Testing is done to 2/3 the rated tensile strength. After testing, all cams are currently being identified with a “Tensile Tested” stamp on the main swage above the loop. We will test and return cams to our customers within 1 week of receiving them. Please attach your complete contact information to each unit being returned for testing, to facilitate a speedy turn-around. Dave Waggoner Colorado Custom Hardware Inc. 115 East Lyon Street Laramie, WY 82072 USA (307) 721-9385 |
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ctardi
Aug 31, 2006, 3:34 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: (I'm actually just replying to activate the email notifications) You can do that via the little watch this topic link at the bottom of every thread on rc.com.
Cool...never noticed it there.
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billcoe_
Aug 31, 2006, 3:36 AM
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Tgreene, you might not need another to thank you but here it is: thanks a lot. This kind of thing was needed in the worst way. What sonyhome says about honesty and transparency is soooo true.
So HUGE THANKS FROM BILLCOE_!) and from everybody else too
Small request, don't be so damn thin-skinned. If you're going to step out there, be patient with folks will ya, you look better to everyone that way.
High Regards and if we every meet you won't be paying for the beer. :P :!:
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tgreene
Aug 31, 2006, 1:11 PM
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I sincerely apologize for my blowup on the 1st page of this thread, but will state that these are the same old tired questions that I've been pummeled with time and time again... :?
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ckirkwood9
Aug 31, 2006, 3:33 PM
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I purchased a full set of aliens literally 3 DAYS before the recall. Had to send 4 of the dimpled ones back for replacement... the cams returned to me are not stamped 'tested'.... so now i've got to send back the whole lot to be tested?!?!
damn.
i love aliens, esp for the gunks but ..
damn.
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tgreene
Aug 31, 2006, 3:45 PM
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Mine too are not stamped "TENSILE TESTED", but they were. The earlier (as in immediately after the recall) form of stamping them consisted of identifying them being eiother a "U" or "L" to signify whom did the testing. As far as I know, this is still being done as well, but the recent addition of "TENSILE TESTED" is done as a secondary confirmation.
This later form of identification requires a jig and die, that was not immediately available.
That said, if you still have any questions or doubts at all, by all means send them in immediately! :idea:
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murf
Aug 31, 2006, 3:59 PM
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In reply to: I sincerely apologize for my blowup on the 1st page of this thread, but will state that these are the same old tired questions that I've been pummeled with time and time again... :?
Oh please, cry me a river why don't you? I've seen you hack and slash folks you don't favor on this website. Not only that, you put yourself in front of this fiasco, so on your head be it. Since you are doing it w/o pay, I begin to doubt your sanity.
Then when you spout stuff like "sticking to the facts" and "we can't afford another manufacturer going down", while spreading innuendo about manufacturers other than CCH, I think it is obvious why these "tired questions" keep popping up.
Another tidbit, quit pounding on the initial poster of the accident ( the "highly publicized date" ). Yes, they made a point about the date, they were wrong. If you are going to be CCH's public face, I think you need to grow up a bit.
The topper is on your semi-official "Immediate Release' posting, you get start talking about posting lesbian porn. But maybe that's the type of PR CCH needs, send your cams in to get tested and get back a stamped cam and a porno mag ( plus postage and handling ).
Thanks for clearing up the compensation, one hopes that weary query won't bother you again.
Murf
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murf
Aug 31, 2006, 4:12 PM
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In reply to: Mate, that is simple human nature. The tall poppy syndrome if you will. It doesn't matter what endeavour you put yourself out for if you are highly prominent then there are a small number of people who will want to chop you down to size. This will be so in whatever forum you find yourself in be that real life or online. You have to understand this from the outset of any endeavour otherwise the bastards will get you down and you will never set out to achieve anything. Keep going and don't let the tards get you down. Don't ever be afraid to start any project for fear that a small minded person will want to drag you down to their level. Do the things that you do for the right motives at the outset and you have a firm foundation that will be unshakeable amidst the criticism. Surely you have learned by this time that there are those faceless people online that wish that others are not successful at anything they set out to achieve. Keep at it and don't allow yourself to be put down. Good works will be their own defence against those that would see you chopped down. Others will come to your defence based on a high degree of integrity exhibited over time. Now don't stuff up, keep your integrity high and you will win in the end.
Have you ever considered being a motivational speaker? Or perhaps a wandering preacher?
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wb3
Aug 31, 2006, 6:08 PM
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Hey Tim - When next you speak to CCH you mt have them update the recall notice on their website. The message you posted on their behalf recommends sending any cams that fall within the date range, whether or not they have a dimple. I guess there's now some debate as to whether the failed cam was or was not dimpled, but if they still want to have people turn in their cams for testing regardless, they prob want to update the notice on their site to reflect this.
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tgreene
Aug 31, 2006, 6:14 PM
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It's currently a matter of getting ahold of the person that holds the keys to his website (DNS and login/pass info)... We've been trying!!
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Aug 31, 2006, 6:35 PM
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Hey Tim, I don't think that's a dimple there in that photo. Looks more like a scratch or a ding. Compare it to the indentations on the lobes. I've seen quite a few dimpled cams and informed many people about the recall. IMO that's not a dimple.
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tgreene
Aug 31, 2006, 6:38 PM
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In regards to being dimpled or not, it's honestly too tough to call w/o somebody actually having this cam in their hands to verify... There is a clearly a mark of some sort that's visible in the area that would have been dimpled, but again, it's too tough to tell.
I will say that there were a number of cams sent back to CCH that had vastly different dimples on them, that ranged from being barely perceptible indentations, to some that looked like they were stamped with a die.
Dimpling is not done with a die and press, but rather is done by hand, and the degree to which it's marked would depend upon the force of strike, sharpness of tools, and whom was actually doing it at any given moment, which can easily be attested to by anyone whos ever worked around a machine shop.
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