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pinktricam
Sep 6, 2006, 3:33 PM
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I was in the backyard late yesterday afternoon when I came across a most beautiful and interesting creature perched on a bush:
http://images.enature.com/...lies_l/BU0655_1l.jpg
It's a Shaus Swallowtail (Papilio aristodemus ponceanus). I'd never seen a butterfly like this before. I was fascinated and was inspired right then and there to start a collection. You know, like one of those framed pieces with the scientific classification written neatly below each perfectly preserved specimen. I got a wide mouthed jar and a net and bagged it without any problem and to keep it from fluttering and tearing itself up in the confined space I dropped in a laquer thinner soaked cotton ball. It was dead in minutes.
Here's the problem: I just looked it up on the Internet and came to find out that it's on the freakin' endangered species list. Bummer. It made me sick to my stomach. I'm generally very conscientious when it comes to conservation issues.
The creature is usually limited to the Upper Keys. I'm thinking Ernesto must've blown her up towards us here (95 miles north of Miami)! Poor thing...to survive the hurricane only to be done in by my enthusiasm and ignorance. Ah well, she'll still look good prettily framed on my wall.
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shakylegs
Sep 6, 2006, 3:44 PM
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Are you a lepidopterist?
Shit happens, let it go.
Now, were you to tell me that you ate Chilean sea bass on the weekend, I'd have a problem with that. (Because that would mean less for me.)
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macherry
Sep 6, 2006, 3:49 PM
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i've never understood the need to 'bag and tag' wildlife to appreciate it.
take a photo next time ptc and frame it
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dingus
Sep 6, 2006, 3:50 PM
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Yeah that would make me feel like shit too. But I do hope this nips your animal collection urge in the bud. I think its out of place in today's world.
DMT
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pinktricam
Sep 6, 2006, 4:03 PM
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In reply to: Are you a lepidopterist?
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Sep 6, 2006, 4:18 PM
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Murderer....................
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tattooed_climber
Sep 6, 2006, 4:24 PM
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In reply to: i've never understood the need to 'bag and tag' wildlife to appreciate it. take a photo next time ptc and frame it
word
hunting for food is one thing, for sport or collection is fucking reTARDed
"NOTHING SAYS I LOVE NATURE MORE THAN KILLING IT"
i'm sure your god will forgive you
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wjca
Sep 6, 2006, 4:24 PM
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In reply to: I was in the backyard late yesterday afternoon when I came across a most beautiful and interesting creature perched on a bush: http://images.enature.com/...lies_l/BU0655_1l.jpg It's a Shaus Swallowtail (Papilio aristodemus ponceanus). I'd never seen a butterfly like this before. I was fascinated and was inspired right then and there to start a collection. You know, like one of those framed pieces with the scientific classification written neatly below each perfectly preserved specimen. I got a wide mouthed jar and a net and bagged it without any problem and to keep it from fluttering and tearing itself up in the confined space I dropped in a laquer thinner soaked cotton ball. It was dead in minutes. Here's the problem: I just looked it up on the Internet and came to find out that it's on the freakin' endangered species list. Bummer. It made me sick to my stomach. I'm generally very conscientious when it comes to conservation issues. The creature is usually limited to the Upper Keys. I'm thinking Ernesto must've blown her up towards us here (95 miles north of Miami)! Poor thing...to survive the hurricane only to be done in by my enthusiasm and ignorance. Ah well, she'll still look good prettily framed on my wall.
So not only have you selfishly destroyed something of beauty that your God put on this planet (not for your personal amusement and joy by the way), you have admitted on a world wide forum to violating the Endangered Species Act. The way I read it (Section 11), you owe Uncle Sam $500. Way to go, ass.
http://www.fws.gov/Endangered/esaall.pdf
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taualum23
Sep 6, 2006, 4:44 PM
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Ah,
Pinky, my first visit in months, and I see you've chosen a new target. Good call. It will be easier to eliminate butterflies than gays.
Hope all is well with the rest of you,
Josh
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zozo
Sep 6, 2006, 4:49 PM
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I have a dream.....
It goes like this.....
An alien species makes it's way to earth. Florida to be exact, and see's an interesting specimen of a over-abundant form of life walking down the street, PTC to be exact.
The aliens decide to start a collection so they pick him him up and drop him in a vat of varnish. He's gone in minuets.
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robbovius
Sep 6, 2006, 5:05 PM
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as a child, I once played "batter up!" with a canoe paddle, and a hapless green crab. another time, I threw a toad up in the air as high as I could, just to see what kind of noise it would make when it landed...I still cringe and feel remorse at the memory. makes no difference though...
...I'LL SEE YOU IN HELL, PINKY :twisted:
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madriver
Sep 6, 2006, 5:14 PM
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I think Jeffery Dahmer started out this way....
love always
MaD 8^)
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Sep 6, 2006, 6:08 PM
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In reply to: ...and to keep it from fluttering and tearing itself up in the confined space I dropped in a laquer thinner soaked cotton ball. It was dead in minutes. ... I'm generally very conscientious when it comes to conservation issues.
So do you have some sort of formula you use to decide when you should be conscientious of life and when you should kill something so that you may keep it as a trophy?
If you're still having trouble getting over this, just reassure yourself that it was a gay butterfly and deserved to die.
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shakylegs
Sep 6, 2006, 6:48 PM
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In reply to: ...and the Luna (which is technically a moth)
So is the viceroy, which, ahem, evolved to mimic the Monarch.
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pinktricam
Sep 6, 2006, 9:02 PM
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Well, you certainly seem to know your lepidopterology. Tell me, are there other species of moths that have, ahem, developed mimicry through pre-existing genetic variables? I seem to remember something about light/dark moths and tree bark.
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shakylegs
Sep 6, 2006, 9:07 PM
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Nope, never really studied mimicry.
I do know, however, that the scales from the wings of hundreds of moths (research) can cause major problems if they get in your lungs.
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madriver
Sep 6, 2006, 9:20 PM
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shakylegs wrote:
In reply to: Nope, never really studied mimicry. I do know, however, that the scales from the wings of hundreds of moths (research) can cause major problems if they get in your lungs.
...smokin moth wings is just wrong....
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bear829
Sep 6, 2006, 9:23 PM
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In reply to: shakylegs wrote: In reply to: Nope, never really studied mimicry. I do know, however, that the scales from the wings of hundreds of moths (research) can cause major problems if they get in your lungs. ...smokin moth wings is just wrong....
But its just so cool to smoke moth wings. Its like doing Toad, man, you just can't stop. :lol:
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madriver
Sep 6, 2006, 9:33 PM
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honestly though ...your title envokes the image of the older brother in "Weird Science" when he gets turned into a pile of shit....
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wjca
Sep 6, 2006, 9:48 PM
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In reply to: honestly though ...your title envokes the image of the older brother in "Weird Science" when he gets turned into a pile of s---....
"Wyatt, I'm sorry for being such a ... shit to you all these years."
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clausti
Sep 6, 2006, 10:30 PM
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In reply to: Well, you certainly seem to know your lepidopterology. Tell me, are there other species of moths that have, ahem, developed mimicry through pre-existing genetic variables? I seem to remember something about light/dark moths and tree bark.
i'm sorry, what was it you called the process by which an organism is able to be physically dissimilar to its progentors though the range of genetic variation? was that descent by modification?
you are thinking of the peppered moth. the moth comes in two main phenotypes [physically/visually distinguishable types, and different from genotype because phenotypes can hide reccessive genes in "carriers"]: white with dark speckles and predominantly grey. prior to the industrial revolution, the predominant phenotype was white with speckles. the moths' day resting place is in forests, which had lighter barked trees before pollution became a serious issue. then the industrial revolution happened, and the trees themselves darkened. light moths stand out more against darker trees. if you stand out more, you are likely to get eaten by a bird. if you get eaten by a bird, you are not likely to reproduce. if you do not reproduce, your genes are not passed. on the other hand, if you do *not* get eaten by a bird, and you do reproduce, your genes are passed. so even if your genes were rarer in previos generations, if moths with genes like you get eaten less, you guys will have more moths in the next generation, and in that generation the allelic frequencies will change.
when the clean air laws started being inacted, the trees lightened again. the white with speckles phenotype is once again more common.
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pinktricam
Sep 6, 2006, 10:47 PM
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Yes, that's it, that's the example I was thinking about!
Pre-existing genetic variables...a truly amazing design by The Master, eh!?!
Imagine, if you will, at one time there were only two moths, or was it two butterflies with hundreds, if not thousands of these genetic variables contained within their DNA. Now we have literally hundreds of subspecies, each developed for its own unique environment and I have to come along and kill one of the more rare ones. Stupid land developers... stupid hurricane winds...stupid collection impulse.
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jacobg
Sep 7, 2006, 12:36 AM
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sux for the butterfly... atleast you got it though! it'll be good to sac chicks, just show it to them and tell them you killed an endangered butterfly.. they will be all over you in minutes
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