Speaking of...

Does anyone recall reading about the riots, violence, and killings when Muslims firebombed Christian Churches?

Yeah, neither did I.

Hey, leave my girl Sinead alone!!

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NBC TV undecided about Madonna mock crucifixion Tue Sep 19, 9:40 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The NBC television network is still making up its mind about whether it will allow pop star Madonna to stage a mock crucifixion on its airwaves as part of her upcoming prime-time concert special.

The 48-year-old entertainer has made the crucifixion stunt, in which she performs while suspended on a giant cross wearing a crown of thorns, a centerpiece of her global "Confessions" tour.

Her stage act drew storms of protest from the Roman Catholic Church and Russian Orthodox Church during recent performances in Rome and Moscow, with church leaders condemning the mock crucifixion as blasphemy.

But executives at NBC, owned by the General Electric Co. will wait for makers of her concert special to submit the production for review before deciding whether to allow the mock crucifixion to air.

"We're awaiting the delivery of it, and once we've seen it in its entirety, we'll make a decision," an NBC spokeswoman told Reuters on Thursday. The program is slated to air in November, but no specific date has been set.

Madonna's manager, Guy Oseary, had no comment on the issue, according to an assistant in his office.

In July, when the network first unveiled plans for the Madonna concert special, NBC Entertainment President Kevin Reilly gave mixed signals about how much artistic freedom Madonna would be given. The mock crucifixion was known then to be a central part of her stage act.

"She's not revising her act," he told a gathering of TV critics at the time. "We've discussed what content will be in and what is out, and we've come to a healthy place that represents her show but is appropriate for television."

He later added: "She's going to do her show, and we'll decide which numbers are in the special and which are not. And that's whole numbers. We're not going to make piece-meal edits."

...fAscIST....

Now that's scary to me. I just don't trust people brainwashing kids...

What's the difference between parenting and "brainwashing kids"?

Both involve teaching a certain set of values, beliefs, and mindset.

Or is that it's parenting if your christian and brainwashing if your muslim?

What's the difference between parenting and "brainwashing kids"?

Both involve teaching a certain set of values, beliefs, and mindset.

Exactly. I see it falls to you to be the voice of sanity once again Rasto.

All men are violent. All men are dogmatic. Not just Christians. Not just Mulsims. Not just those who follow religion. I doubt that the solution to hate could be to hate back.

Well said!

ETA: However, some world views provide many more excuses than others...

"Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. Our soldiers must be thus; as people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy"

I suppose you're talking about world views like this one:





And, no, it wasn't Hitler, Mussolini, or Bin Laden who said that, it was Ernesto el Che "the blood-thirsty pig" Guevara.

More people have been killed over religion than any other reason.

I'll apologise in advance to tristan for having to bring this up again, but I think it's worth repeating in light of this old lie being trotted out yet again:

Four out of the top five mass murderers of all time were atheists. That's Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, together repsonsible for over 100 million deaths.

But I imagine most people would think that it would be just as unfair and illogical to blame all atheists for their crimes as it is to blame all christians, muslims, bhuddists or jews for crimes committed by religious people.

...Point well taken. the problem usually isn't the philosophy or doctrine, rather ( and somewhat reiterating your previous point) the problem is always PEOPLE...

The common requirement for each of these evil leaders to commit their atrocities--was the willingness of the people to follow them blindly, and without question. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, etc did not use religion as a tool to get their people to follow them blindly, but religion can be (and often has been) a very effective tool to that end.

Curt