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jimdavis
Jan 25, 2006, 4:34 PM
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In reply to: Anyway, I would need to get out and give it a try, but my point is, there HAS to be a way to make a hanging release a little easier...
Or, you could just stand up on the sling you ran through the anchor piece...
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catbird_seat
Jan 25, 2006, 4:58 PM
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It seems to me that the safest procedure to use for the ATC-Guide would be the same as that recommended for the B-52, that is to put a Munter Hitch on your harness, release the device completely by standing on the release sling with your foot, and lowering the climber by means of the Munter.
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cracklover
Jan 25, 2006, 5:36 PM
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Boy all this talk about all the shenannigans needed to lower a climber. If only there was a gri-gri with two slots.
Or if only the TRE Sirius worked as advertised (well, maybe the new version does, I'd be happy to test it for the price of a review.)
GO
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charlesjmm
Jan 25, 2006, 8:05 PM
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What if you apply ATC-Guideīs autoblock release principle to a Reverso?
Iīve tried it and it works! All considerations previously discussed (controlling the brake side) apply to this setup.
Optimal configuration is when the release sling runs parallel to the loaded rope.
http://i49.photobucket.com/...rlosjmm/IMG_3089.jpg
Test performed with a load of 169 lbs (me) and a 10,5mm Beal Top Gun rope. I havenīt tried the ATC-Guide so cannot compare performance.
I wonder if the Reverso will handle the stress forces generated in this set-up?
Cheers
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cchildre
Jan 25, 2006, 9:35 PM
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What are you growing in there? HEMP-FARMER!
I never thought of doing that with the reverso. Nice observation.
Also - A Gri for double ropes? I can't imagine how heavy that clunker would be! Yikes, it might double my rack weight....
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charlesjmm
Jan 25, 2006, 10:25 PM
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:lol: .... sorry to disappoint you cchildre, you know Cannabis Sativa doesnīt grow red flowers! Itīs called Alpinia Purpurata (Red Ginger) a purely ornamental tropical flower.
Thanks for the laugh....
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rightarmbad
Jan 25, 2006, 11:44 PM
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I just lift the biner with my fingers to lower on a reverso, have not had any problems so far. I imagine that the guide would respond the same, either lift the biner or lift the tab with your fingers while you have a hand on the brake rope.
Am I missing something?
How much less braking during raps does the guide have compared to the xp? I find the reverso just hasn't got enough braking unless I use double biners. I was impressed by the braking on a borrowed xp though.
I'm going to get one anyway as soon as they become available in Aussie land.
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vegastradguy
Jan 26, 2006, 12:54 AM
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In reply to: I just lift the biner with my fingers to lower on a reverso, have not had any problems so far. I imagine that the guide would respond the same, either lift the biner or lift the tab with your fingers while you have a hand on the brake rope. Am I missing something?
well, that works assuming the second can unweight the rope somewhat, but i'm not sure it could be done with dead weight, especially on an overhang.
like i said, i suspect that a threaded sling through the tab could be pulled by hand with a lightweight climber on the other end of the rope....
In reply to: How much less braking during raps does the guide have compared to the xp? I find the reverso just hasn't got enough braking unless I use double biners. I was impressed by the braking on a borrowed xp though.
according to BD, the XP has 3x the friction of the standard ATC, while the Guide only has 2x the friction of the standard ATC. The raps, though, are a dream on just about any line you jump on with it- even raps on twins are easy to control.
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percious
Nov 28, 2006, 3:52 PM
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Thought I would send off this tid-bit.
If you have a BD nut tool it can be easily employed to provide the leverage needed to un-block the autoblock. Give it a try!
-percious
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