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How often have u found yourselves heaving to answer “Nature Call” AKA #2 on the wall, and quit particularly on the Zodiac I need to calculate waste management for a party of 3 …reading carefully in to “Wall Flower”…
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    The dirty side of climbing. Thanks Punk, there goes my lunch.


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Man I got to take a sh....nevermind


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Heh heh!

No advice, but a funny story (hopefully).

Climbing Mt. Whitney, we got a late afternoon start on approach, and took our time up to Iceberg Lake (the start of East Buttress route), so our summit day was going to be the third day out.

It was my parters' first time in a "bagging" area, and they were quite disgusted with the whole process. Knowing that there is a "can" on the summit, and wanting have a "really impressive one" on the highest point in the lower 48, and wanting to freak out my partners, I decided I would hold it all until the summit.

I took great amusement with my partners' wailing and moaning, all the while keeping my little project to myself. They finally called me out on the morning of summit day, and I fessed up. Of course, I took the opportunity to boast about my self control and the anticipated accomplishment that would be mine upon reaching the summit.

Well, of course, my boast came back to "bite me in the ass", shall we say. At about 13,500' (it had to be the altitude) I had to drop. I'll spare you the gruesome details about the quantity and how much fun it was to bag (hmmm, gives a whole new meaning to "peak bagging", doesn't it?).

Moral of the story, you'd be amazed at what your body can do, but if you really want to impress your friends - try something else besides bowel control.

Peace.


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No advice here, but i love the term used for such activities pre-tubing, etc. Climbers under big walls had to be on the lookout for 'mud falcons'!


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Those MRE things that the military uses tend to stuff you up pretty good without giving you constipation. I am not shure what they do, low fiber I guess. You can understand that in combat, you won't want to be stopping all the time for a poop.

I ate one once when I had diarieha and it worked great. Haven't done any big wall, but it is just an idea from a theorist.


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See the tip in one of the very recent mags about this. Using a dry bag to bag it up works pretty well. The poop tube works too but is heavy. Constipation is a bad idea, it really hurts. Using adjustable daisy chains can add to your comfort while in the act. It frees your hands for readingt material. Just make sure and double or triple bag because it really sucks when the bags burst inside the tube. Lastly, don't be squemish. Cornback rattlers don't bite they just look and smell funny.Be like mike and just do it, but into a bag or tube and NEVER on a ledge.


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Go to the mountain shop in Curry village. Ask one of the folks at the counter about the bags they sell for just this purpose. They cost around $25 or so, and are bomber.

robert


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I just met a Brit who spent seven nights on Mescalito, and didn't crap even once up there. He also didn't hardly eat anything.

The grocery bag and kitty litter wallflower works pretty well. You can untape the bags at the top and burn them.


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That "Brit" was our very own Mr. Hard Grit, aka Tom Randall, who has previously announced his intention to solo Zenyatta Mondatta.

This intention he repeated to me the other day. His credibility was enhanced by the fact he told me on the summit of El Cap.

We await an update......

Cheers,

Pete

[who burned his rather substantial Wall Flowers twice on the summit of El Cap in the last month]


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   Quote Pete

[who burned his rather substantial Wall Flowers twice on the summit of El Cap in the last month]
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Does this mean Pete that you are full of .... expletive deleted or conversely no longer full of ... expletive deleted.

Oh by the way glad to hear that your back on terra firma in one piece matey. Now hurry up and give us a report on your nefarious wall activities. Ohhh, I hate waiting for good things.

...Phil...


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Bummer, I was really hoping for some comprehensive advise in this area... but it's sounds like taking a crap on a big wall is mostly just a pain in the a**... no punn intended.

I have also heard that using a dry-bag, from rafting, is a nice alternative to a "poop toob"... it's seems like an easier target at least... and what about some sort of chemical to break it down? baking soda? any thoughts?

James

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What does Punk mean by "and quit".
YOu know, everyones s*it habits vary on a wall. I hope to be regular and do the once a day thing, otherwise I am afraid I am not eating and drinking enough to keep all systems in check for a strong performance. My boyfriend likes to COMPACT, which means save it for ledges with nice stances.

Why carefully calcualte? Many methods including the wallflower and my method don't require any calculation. Poop tubes are extra equipment. Our system- we use wag bags (special bags we use with chemicals in for neutralizing the bad stuff) and then we cut open our used water bottles, put the bags inside and duct tape back together. Since we always have 2 liter bottles ,not need to calculate anything.


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What does Punk mean by "and quit".
YOu know, everyones s*it habits vary on a wall. I hope to be regular and do the once a day thing, otherwise I am afraid I am not eating and drinking enough to keep all systems in check for a strong performance. My boyfriend likes to COMPACT, which means save it for ledges with nice stances.

Why carefully calcualte? Many methods including the wallflower and my method don't require any calculation. Poop tubes are extra equipment. Our system- we use wag bags (special bags we use with chemicals in for neutralizing the bad stuff) and then we cut open our used water bottles, put the bags inside and duct tape back together. Since we always have 2 liter bottles ,not need to calculate anything.

(of course if you climb Zodiac in a day you can save it for on top)


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