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It's impossible to say without climbing it.
It sounds like about 4-5 moves across the roof on more secure holds than than a jug. If it's truly 5.3 after the roof, it means there's lots of features to make pulling the lip (usually the crux) easy.
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the yosemite decimal system uses the hardest move as the basis for the rating. therefore, we must ask: how hard would you say the crux is? that's the rating
i'd also like to note that i'm not a fan of the YDS in that aspect, but i suppose we may as well be consistent
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basilisk wrote:
the yosemite decimal system uses the hardest move as the basis for the rating. therefore, we must ask: how hard would you say the crux is? that's the rating
I'd also like to note that i'm not a fan of the YDS in that aspect, but i suppose we may as well be consistent
That is exactly why I like it. If I look at a route in a book and it says 5.9, I know I can send up it. But if it says 5.11 that is only on one pitch, the crux on the last pitch of seven, I know to keep my rear on the ground and instead, pick a route made for men who are weak like me.
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5.7+.
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the yosemite decimal system uses the hardest move as the basis for the rating. therefore, we must ask: how hard would you say the crux is? that's the rating
According to whom? From what I've learned, everything using our beloved YSD is 101% subjective. I think its pretty far fetched to claim that it is standard to rate a climb by the hardest move. There are no YSD police coming around. It sure would be nice if there were though.
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According to whom? From what I've learned, everything using our beloved YSD is 101% subjective. I think its pretty far fetched to claim that it is standard to rate a climb by the hardest move. There are no YSD police coming around. It sure would be nice if there were though.
The system originally considered only the technical difficulty of the hardest move on a route. For example a route of mainly 5.7 moves but with one 5.12a move would be graded 5.12a. A climb that consisted of 5.11b moves all along its route, would be 5.11b. Modern application of climbing grades, especially on climbs at the upper end of the scale, also consider how sustained or strenuous a climb is, in addition to the difficulty of the "single hardest move". This is just for grading class and not grade or protection. I think Wiki might help those out there that are unsure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_(climbing)#YDS_Grade
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the yosemite decimal system uses the hardest move as the basis for the rating. therefore, we must ask: how hard would you say the crux is? that's the rating
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Using wikipedia to back up our credentials are we? I take someone's word here on RC.com before I take the word of wiki.
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Schneider sez this: 5.10 is really only sustained 5.9, and 5.11 is really just sustained 5.10, and 5.12 is really just sustained 5.11, so if you can pull 5.9......
I know lots lots lots of climbs that are rated at a particular rating just because the moves are sustained, but if any one of those moves were to be put on a less sustained climb, the route would not get the rating of the more sustained route. If you can figger out what I just said, good, cause it looks clear as mud to me.
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Using wikipedia to back up our credentials are we? I take someone's word here on RC.com before I take the word of wiki.
Ever think the answer came from here? At RC.com Wiki doesn't pull their answers out of their big dark hole. JK. It really makes no difference what you want to think or for that matter what I think. That is how the grading system works. I have to say, we all have climbed climbs that we thought were under or over classed. It's going to happen. One day you feel at your best and can't climb a ladder without falling, another day you are ready to die from the whiskey you drank the night before and you could climb a newly sheet rocked wall.
It's up to us to keep the standards and not corrupt the grading system. I'm sure the great climbers of the past would want us to do as they have tried to do. Sorry if you felt offended with my first answer. Climb on!!
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IMHO
Perfect hands on vertical = 5.8.
Add the roof = 5.9
Respectfully:
Who's hands?
I've got big ol' meathooks, with knuckles that are reminiscent of an under-evolved ape-creature. Some folks (hell, MOST folks) have smaller hands. What might be perfect hands to you could be a thin finger crack for me.
Also, a bit of a personal gripe: I do not buy into the concept that "sustained 5.10" is the same as 5.11, or anything of the sort.
Sure, a route with lots of, say, 5.9 moves is harder than a route with one 5.9 move, but saying a sustained 5.9 is the same as a 5.10 is like saying "I ran four consecutive miles all of them at a 5 minute/mile pace, so I'm a 4-minute mile runner."
Don't work that way.
Sustained 5.10 is sustained 5.10, not 5.11.
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It's up to us to keep the standards and not corrupt the grading system. I'm sure the great climbers of the past would want us to do as they have tried to do.
Riiiiiight.... climbers would never corrupt the grading system used on an old-school classic...
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I've got big ol' meathooks, with knuckles that are reminiscent of an under-evolved ape-creature.
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reno wrote:
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reno wrote:
I've got big ol' meathooks, with knuckles that are reminiscent of an under-evolved ape-creature.
Why am I not surprised?
Because we're first cousins?
More like brother and sister. So who wants to wear the skirt today.
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reno wrote:
scrapedape wrote:
reno wrote:
I've got big ol' meathooks, with knuckles that are reminiscent of an under-evolved ape-creature.
Why am I not surprised?
Because we're first cousins?
More like brother and sister. So who wants to wear the skirt today.
Well, you'd know, wouldn't you, Mom? Now bring that sweet sweet ass over here.
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scrapedape wrote:
philbox wrote:
reno wrote:
scrapedape wrote:
reno wrote:
I've got big ol' meathooks, with knuckles that are reminiscent of an under-evolved ape-creature.
Why am I not surprised?
Because we're first cousins?
More like brother and sister. So who wants to wear the skirt today.
Well, you'd know, wouldn't you, Mom? Now bring that sweet sweet ass over here.
If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times not to use that language boy. I brought you into this world and I can take you out too, now bend over and take your spanking like a man.
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