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coastal_climber
Feb 7, 2007, 5:44 AM
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You should have pulled your ropes, and left the anchors for them to rap off of. Hogging four climbs at once is a lot. As said earlier, how were you supposed to manage the teams?
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vertical_planar
Feb 7, 2007, 7:14 AM
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You were blocking routes that you were not climbing. This is bad practice. It is as simple as that.
No grey areas here. If you are not climbing a route you have no right to stop others from doing it
Btw topropping is irrelevant to the question.
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majid_sabet
Feb 7, 2007, 7:15 AM
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kman wrote: You are right though. I would probably get my point across better if I avoided personal insults, after all it only makes the person defensive which accomplishes nothing in the end. Perhaps instead of "you are a complete fucking moron" I could instead write some thing more along the lines of "you are endagering the lives of people that are putting their trust in your (lack of) skill and knowledge...." Also, in the future when calling some one a moron, I will use more care when using your and you're 
Kaveman
You got any thing else better to tell people, looks like you just go around and target posts left and right insulting people.
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jonoj
Feb 7, 2007, 7:23 AM
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I don't know how many people checked this up, but....
Power_Tie wrote: I'm a new climber, but I am totally hooked. I can't wait to get out and climb hard core in the summertime. I got a pair of La Sportiva brand shoes, and a wild country brand harness. How much is it going to cost to get all the climbing equipment I need to climb outside when the weather is better? I am thinking I will probably need a couple extra harnesses and pairs of shoes so that I can take someone with me. Thank you.
Posted 16 Jan 2007!!!
Dude, what are you doing taking 10 unsuspecting people out under your 'guidance', when you are this inexperienced??
Either you're trolling, or are in fact a rather big knob!
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bizarrodrinker
Feb 7, 2007, 1:44 PM
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jonoj has the most valid point in this thread. This guy probably should not have had people under his watch in the first place.
On the subject of taking up routes, if it was multi-pitch, which from the OP experience it doesn't sound like it was, they should have moved their ropes. Otherwise whoever said they should pull them up, and let the others rap of their anchors has my vote.
If I was out climbing (even TRing) a route and someone came up, while we wer in the middle of climbing and said they had the right of way because they were going to lead, I would probably say "oh alright" turn away and continue climbing.
Setting up multiple TRs in one area is kind of poor form, but if people really wanted to do the routes, they would make certain that they were the first there in the morning. I know I would.
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Adk
Feb 7, 2007, 2:43 PM
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Others here have offered what I would also suggest. Pull the rope and ask the second to pull your rope back up for your group.
Sure it is a little extra work for them but we all have to give a bit here and there.
Don't be a route whore, whores get bad names quickly and then have no customers....or friends.
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mtnjohn
Feb 7, 2007, 5:15 PM
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I wouldn't just walk up and pull it.
I never said that.
I'd tell you I was going to pull it first.
The context being, if you read my post, that there are three ropes hanging idle.
I don't type novels, my post are brief and may be interpreted as rude. Read anything into it you like.
We all think what we want anyway.
Oh, what is TR only area?
I thought we talking about an outdoor area.
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seanhabgood
Feb 7, 2007, 5:26 PM
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Was the climbs top ropes or long mulity pitch climbs? If it was top rope it is first come first serve as you really don't need to lead climb it. If it is a mulity pitch lead climb you should not be top ropeing it. With that said being a dick is always a bad idea! Sean
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j_ung
Feb 7, 2007, 5:40 PM
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jonoj wrote: I don't know how many people checked this up, but.... Power_Tie wrote: I'm a new climber, but I am totally hooked. I can't wait to get out and climb hard core in the summertime. I got a pair of La Sportiva brand shoes, and a wild country brand harness. How much is it going to cost to get all the climbing equipment I need to climb outside when the weather is better? I am thinking I will probably need a couple extra harnesses and pairs of shoes so that I can take someone with me. Thank you. Posted 16 Jan 2007!!! Dude, what are you doing taking 10 unsuspecting people out under your 'guidance', when you are this inexperienced??
Good God. Is this true? 
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Power_Tie
Feb 7, 2007, 5:48 PM
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Well! Quite a colorful collection of responses I have recieved here!
First, I would like to thank everyone who weighed in with some constructive input, even if it was critical of what I was doing. I would like to think I am never above learning. With that said, I think the best way to meet everyone's needs would have been to allow those climbers to lead the crack climb, and then replace my top rope when they had finished.
This practice was beyond my experience at the time. If this had been suggested by the other climbers, I would have happily agreed. I am sorry they did not think to suggest this.
I should probably just leave it at that, but some of the more colorful responses beg a reply.
Some of you seem to think that what we were doing was wrong, and unsafe. These rock climbs were on public land. I have every right to go to this place, and to take my employees with me.
Further, I purchased several guidebooks at REI, and researched differrent areas we could go. This area appeared to be a good area to take beginner climbers, and would be easy to set up top ropes on the climbs. They were all set up on 2 bolts each, with 4 locking carabiners. I had practiced this at home, and read how to do it safely in a book. It isn't exactly rocket science.
Also, every one of my team was trained to belay when we were back at the office in San Francisco, as part of the exercise. We took an hour in the afternoon, and worked on safe belay practices, plus climbing commands and knot tying. We had fun, and it got everyone excited about the outing.
Finally, I think I will respond to some of the ribbing I am taking by a couple internet losers here. kman and dingus come to mind, as getting rather personal with me. I can take that, can they? I've guided multi-million dollar businesses through corporate mergers, sales, and reorganizations. You two clowns are probably piling more budweiser cans on the floor complaining about 'the man' or something.
If you tough guys think I should step aside to let better climbers on a climb, you should step aside then next time you get close to your wife, and let a real man show you how it's done.
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kman
Feb 7, 2007, 6:06 PM
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In reply to: Kaveman You got any thing else better to tell people, looks like you just go around and target posts left and right insulting people.
Not quite Majid.
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devils_advocate
Feb 7, 2007, 6:09 PM
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Power_Tie wrote: Finally, I think I will respond to some of the ribbing I am taking by a couple internet losers here. kman and dingus come to mind, as getting rather personal with me. I can take that, can they? I've guided multi-million dollar businesses through corporate mergers, sales, and reorganizations. You two clowns are probably piling more budweiser cans on the floor complaining about 'the man' or something.
Oh, this is going to get good.
Please tell me, Mr. Executive, what the fuck office life has to do with safe climbing? I love the mentality, yes I work in an office and know your self-inflated egotistical type – I’ve successfully done X and Y, so I can do anything. The same people I have to show basic functions on Excel that they were too stupid (read: lack of common sense and basic problem solving skills) to figure out themselves.
Rocket science? No, it’s not. But there are nuances that are important, that can get you (and others) killed if not abided. If you want to risk your own life fine. But you have no right taking out 10 others unless you have explicitly conveyed to them your lack of experience. I doubt someone as smug as you would have done so. You have a rep in the office... can’t mar that.
In reply to: If you tough guys think I should step aside to let better climbers on a climb, you should step aside then next time you get close to your wife, and let a real man show you how it's done.
Yea ok stuffy business man. I'm sure it's fantasies such as this that keep you going. Hate to break it to you: We’re the guy your wife calls after your shiny BMW pulls out of the driveway and your Viagra fueled travesty of lovemaking left her unsatisfied. Again.
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bizarrodrinker
Feb 7, 2007, 6:09 PM
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Touche!
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Feb 7, 2007, 6:10 PM
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flamer wrote: It's ok. You can admit it. We won't hold it against you...well maybe not. YOU'RE FRENCH AREN'T YOU?????
Nope.
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Power_Tie
Feb 7, 2007, 6:18 PM
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devils_advocate wrote: Oh, this is going to get good. Please tell me, Mr. Executive, what the fuck office life has to do with safe climbing? I love the mentality, yes I work in an office and know your self-inflated egotistical type – I’ve successfully done X and Y, so I can do anything. The same people I have to show basic functions on Excel that they were too stupid (read: lack of common sense and basic problem solving skills) to figure out themselves.
You teach people how to use Excel? Sounds like a rewarding career.
But I am honored that you felt compelled to join this discussion just to hurl your silly little insults. I am sure you are quite impressed with your wit. Now go teach someone who makes more money than you basic computer functions.
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Feb 7, 2007, 6:25 PM
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Power_Tie wrote: kman and dingus come to mind, as getting rather personal with me. I can take that, can they? I've guided multi-million dollar businesses through corporate mergers, sales, and reorganizations.
Good! Guiding a gym-troupe out of the way of other climbers should be a snap for a guy like you!
DMT
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flamer
Feb 7, 2007, 6:30 PM
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Power_Tie wrote: Finally, I think I will respond to some of the ribbing I am taking by a couple internet losers here.
I always love it when someone says this, in a post on the INTERNET.
But I'm going to save the rest of what i could say to MR. Exec....you guys feel free to do your thing.
josh
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Davey
Feb 7, 2007, 6:33 PM
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Power_Tie wrote: This practice was beyond my experience at the time.
This is a Common sense thing. If you didn't have that kind of sense you hade no right leading something like this.
Power_Tie wrote: Some of you seem to think that what we were doing was wrong, and unsafe. These rock climbs were on public land. I have every right to go to this place, and to take my employees with me.
Power_Tie wrote: Further, I purchased several guidebooks at REI,
Power_Tie wrote: If you tough guys think I should step aside to let better climbers on a climb, you should step aside then next time you get close to your wife, and let a real man show you how it's done. devils_advocate wrote: Yea ok stuffy business man. I'm sure it's fantasies such as this that keep you going. Hate to break it to you: We're the guy your wife calls after your shiny BMW pulls out of the driveway and your Viagra fueled travesty of lovemaking left her unsatisfied. Again.
This says it all. 
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dharmatreez
Feb 7, 2007, 6:48 PM
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Davey wrote: The reason there is no "An idiot guide to climbing" is because there is no place for idiots in this sport.
unfortunately i have a vague recollection of seeing one of those "Complete Idiot's Guide To..." for climbing in Barnes and Noble while browsing thru the climbing section
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Davey
Feb 7, 2007, 6:50 PM
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dharmatreez wrote: Davey wrote: The reason there is no "An idiot guide to climbing" is because there is no place for idiots in this sport. unfortunately i have a vague recollection of seeing one of those "Complete Idiot's Guide To..." for climbing in Barnes and Noble while browsing thru the climbing section
The beginning of the end my friend. 
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dan2see
Feb 7, 2007, 6:51 PM
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tradrenn wrote: Power_Tie: For future reff pull your top rope and let them lead the route. Just ask them if second could haul your top roping rope up and put it back thru your anchor.
tradrenn wrote: Lets not forget that some of us have to drive quite far to lead our projects. Thanks, I'm done.
When I plan an outing with my friends, we pick a crag before we leave the city. So our expectations are pretty high by the time we get to the rocks.
So I think tradrenn's idea is the best posting in this thread.
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Davey
Feb 7, 2007, 6:56 PM
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trenchdigger wrote: Davey wrote: ... The reason there is no "An idiot guide to climbing" is because there is no place for idiots in this sport... You mean like this? http://www.amazon.com/...imbing/dp/0028631145 [image]http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0028631145.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg[/image]
Thank you all I get the point but I hope you get my point.
NO PLACE FOR IDIOTS.
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