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jh_angel
Mar 8, 2007, 6:08 PM
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bler wrote: more people climbing = more access issues seems more like an endless cycle they are creating rather then helping. simple fact.. a mag like UC brings more climbers to the table witch brings about more access issues. Any questions? The access to one of our local areas is threatened because there aren't more climbers around to stand up to a land developer. Also, non-climbers often see us as pesky bums to be removed from a public place. A better understanding of who we are as a community would probably do some good.
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Mar 8, 2007, 6:18 PM
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I tend to think more climbers ¡Ú more access issues, more climbers with no ethics = more access issues. I think the problem with UC is that it catering to younger generation. It is trying to make climbing more a "cool" thing to do, but it failed to relate the basic ethic of climbing. I don't like the writing of UC, or simply the lack of writing. I got the lastest issue for free, couldn't tell what are the real articles, and what are the ads.
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bler
Mar 8, 2007, 6:28 PM
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I'm done with this, I'd much rather just have my peace and spend my time bouldering in the valley. later all :)
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Mar 8, 2007, 6:41 PM
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I think the fact of the matter is that climbing is growing whether or not UC is selling magazines, and you will find people young AND old that annoy the sh*t out of you at crags. Everyone has free-will and should exercise it as a responsible outdoorsman that informs/educates the novices as well as yourselves. You really shouldn't go around judging who should be climbing and who shouldn't. I don't really like climbing magazines either, they ARE porn and I often get carried away with the thought of the limelight, but there really isn't anything wrong with that as long as you keep in mind that if you take something from your climbing experiences, you sure as hell better give back to them so that others can realize the same thing. There is definitely power in numbers, and I'll awalys respect passion and commitment no matter how obnoxious I may find you
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climbsomething
Mar 8, 2007, 6:41 PM
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bler wrote: more people climbing = more access issues seems more like an endless cycle they are creating rather then helping. simple fact.. a mag like UC brings more climbers to the table witch brings about more access issues. Any questions? Here's a question: what made you so special that the gates could close after you bought your chalkbag?
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shakylegs
Mar 8, 2007, 6:45 PM
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I seem to recall hearing or reading somewhere that climbing was closed to newcomers in 2004. Didn't you get the memo?
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rockclimbr3
Mar 8, 2007, 7:15 PM
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quit bitching and go climb
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markc
Mar 8, 2007, 7:25 PM
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climbsomething wrote: bler wrote: more people climbing = more access issues seems more like an endless cycle they are creating rather then helping. simple fact.. a mag like UC brings more climbers to the table witch brings about more access issues. Any questions? Here's a question: what made you so special that the gates could close after you bought your chalkbag? Exactly. If he really felt that more climbers = more access issues, and if he's really worried about the good of the community, maybe he should hang it up. After all, access would be bound to improve if he quit climbing. Bler, here's a little secret which you have yet to acknowledge: Climbing is already mainstream. It's too late to turn the tide (if such a thing could ever be done). Even if you have a higher ethical standard than most, you're still a Johnny-come-lately. Good on you if you want to affect change and preserve access. Bitching about a magazine on a climbing site probably isn't the best use of your time if that's the goal.
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Beyondreach
Mar 9, 2007, 5:08 AM
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About time dude, stop spending time bitching and freaking climb something, and God forbid the younger generation (myself included) get involved into a sport in which his highness has already claimed as his own, and God also forbid someone other than a bunch of anal retentive tightwads actually get up on some rocks. Climbing isnt jsut for you dude, you seem to realize how sweet a lifestule it is, why would you be so angry that someone else gets a little fulfillment from climbing? Get off your high horse and get on some fuckin rock.
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miavzero
Mar 9, 2007, 5:31 AM
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It is really ironic that the op has an 8a scorecard and keeps blog entries. Doesn't everyone know that 8a.nu appeals to failed athletes who have come to climbing as a way to get recognition? Don't we all know that washed up little league stars are going to start crowding all of the crags and get them closed? bler, you must be the change you wish to see.
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bler
Mar 9, 2007, 3:34 PM
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sad fact, you guys keep telling me to go climb.. i do, a lot.. sure as hell a lot more then I spend on this god-awful post whore board. sometimes I like to come on and bitch, then never hit the board again for a few months. its all in good fun, thats what the forums & chatrooms are for right? talking shit.
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markc
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bler wrote: sad fact, you guys keep telling me to go climb.. i do, a lot.. sure as hell a lot more then I spend on this god-awful post whore board. sometimes I like to come on and bitch, then never hit the board again for a few months. its all in good fun, thats what the forums & chatrooms are for right? talking shit. I haven't told you to go climb. In fact, I suggested you put your actions where your mouth is and quit. Another alternative would be to get involved with promoting better practices at the crag. I've repeatedly called you out on your attitude of entitlement, and your inaccurate view that climbing isn't already popularized, both of which you haven't addressed. I view discussion forums as a location for hopefully intelligent discourse. That's obviously not your intent.
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Mar 9, 2007, 4:32 PM
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bler wrote: sometimes I like to come on and bitch, then never hit the board again for a few months. its all in good fun, thats what the forums & chatrooms are for right? talking shit. Yup. And now thou art reaping the shit talkers uponst thyself. Be careful, ye who cast the first dookstone... Wow! I'm really annoying! I tend to agree that UC is rather unimpressive. I am, however, basing this off the one and only time I actually glanced through it. I can understand your your frustration with the teeming hordes of ethically challenged newcomers, but that's the way it goes. Take solace in the fact most of the trendsters you despise will naturally weed themselves out of the sport. Then again, some of them will probably climb harder than you and I will ever be able....There are up and downsides to this trend. What are you gonna do?
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indevisual wrote: I. It's when people say "I don't want to see rockclimbing (in whatever form that may be) go mainstream" that hurts. What is mainstream? Joe Joe, everyone seems confused here, so let me help. in 2005, Nissan used footage of some climbers - I believe Lynn Hill was in teh advert - campussing up a juggy slab in a tv ad for the Xterra. recently, Carnival Cruise Line have included footage of people top-roping the on-ship climbing wall as part of the enticement to travel their cruise line... as soon as some actitvity is used as TV ad footage, rest assured, IT IS MAINSTREAM, WADDLING RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. rock climbing, my dear friands, is absolutely, positively MAINSTREAM AS FUCK, and there ain't no getting it back. suck it, puzzies.
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kyleshea
Mar 9, 2007, 5:35 PM
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just fanning the flames, and completelty unrelated to this wonderful UC/mainstream discussion, do you campus many slabs yourself?
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robbovius wrote: indevisual wrote: I. It's when people say "I don't want to see rockclimbing (in whatever form that may be) go mainstream" that hurts. What is mainstream? Joe Joe, everyone seems confused here, so let me help. in 2005, Nissan used footage of some climbers - I believe Lynn Hill was in teh advert - campussing up a juggy slab in a tv ad for the Xterra. recently, Carnival Cruise Line have included footage of people top-roping the on-ship climbing wall as part of the enticement to travel their cruise line... as soon as some actitvity is used as TV ad footage, rest assured, IT IS MAINSTREAM, WADDLING RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. rock climbing, my dear friands, is absolutely, positively MAINSTREAM AS FUCK, and there ain't no getting it back. suck it, puzzies. Uh, John Bachar was in a gilette commercial in the early 80's, the snowbird competition was on wide world of sports, other climbers/climbing has been featured on TV since the 60's, so it looks like under your rationale climbing has been mainstream for about 50 years.
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That shit mag owes more people $ for photo's and articles..so sad that this mag had a chance to produce a new style and add skate shit and rip off fellow climbers...it's an NYC...die urbanclimber
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bler wrote: I'm done with this, I'd much rather just have my peace and spend my time bouldering in the valley. later all :) How was bouldering in the valley? Often times after a good flame i visit Moonlight Buttress.
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j_ung wrote: And, the dirty bastards won an Access Fund Sharp End Award. Fuck them! Access Fund wrote: Recognized for above and beyond contributions of staff time, resources and financial support of the Access Fund’s advocacy work. Urban Climber Magazine has taken a lead role in delivering the boulderProject message of minimum impact climbing and importance of understanding how climbers, the environment, and access are all connected to the new generation of climbers. By contributing significant time and financial resources to provide a platform for the Access Fund’s message and interweaving that message throughout all aspects of their publication, they deliver the Access Fund mission to an audience that would otherwise be difficult for the Access Fund to affect. Of their many contributions from ideas, support, and directly affecting Access Fund financial resources necessary to further the mission, the following stand out: Integration of the Access Fund message throughout every single issue of the magazine from in-kind advertising, Access Fund controlled editorial content, to Urban Climber Magazine editorial content that directly underscores the mission of the Access Fund and responsible climbing. Further and significantly, Urban Climber Magazine underwrote the development of the boulderProject website at a crucial time in the expansion of the program. Without this support, the message of the boulderProject would not be reaching its audience. mark crowther owner of skam media is on the board of directors for the access fund. hmmm
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indevisual wrote: I can usually sit back and stomach all the criticism- and to an extent I still can. Of course, Urban Climber is not for everyone, nor was it intended to be. For those who consider what I'm trying to do with UC as Propaganda or prefer to think that bouldering is not rock climbing, then this magazine was never meant for you- because you just don't, and probably never will, understand it. And I can appreciate your conclusions as well. We're all entitled to our opinions. I'm not actually writing to address that matter anyway- this is more personal. It's when people say "I don't want to see rockclimbing (in whatever form that may be) go mainstream" that hurts. What is mainstream? And is the ability for an athlete or an industry pro to make a living too much for you to handle? I personally want to see these athletes be able to sustain the quality of life they deserve doing what they love, and train so hard to do. Every other credible sport in the world can offer that- why can't climbing? Maybe it'd be nice for kids who find climbing at a very early age to have aspirations. What about the creative community within our sport? Do you know how costly and time consuming it is to make a video? I can safely, and very confidently, say that nobody within our sport has prospered from their efforts yet...and there are some amazingly talented individuals out there right now. But, the moonshine conspiracy and the element boys have their 16 mm features in every surf and skate shop and every best buy on every corner of every town---they're doing alright. why can't these guys? Goes the same for being a climbing photographer or journalist --- I think there are people who desparately want to make a simple living combining their passions and talents. And they are entitled to that. If you never tried to chase that dream- then you might not understand. So mainstream, to me, does not include a clusterf**k of inexperienced people running to our areas and ruining our time outside. That will NEVER happen. Mainstream IS creating a POSITIVE identity, some credibility and an ounce of public interest for a sport/lifestyle that's been like a savior to me time and time again... Joe When I first heard of UC I thought "thats silly" and "theyre probably not going to get my money". But after reaading Joes post, I'd buy the mag just to support his effort. I sympathize with some one trying to make a living in the areas they enjoy. And inorder for that to happen more people have to be putting their money into the sport. I started skating in the early 90's just as it was comming into the main stream and I benefitted as a teenage skater from that happening. Lower prices on gear, chances to watch skating on tv, opportunities to buy "quality" skating mags, more developed skate parks so that you weren't getting hassled. Yeah, it created some problems and still does. Skate parks got crowded with lots of posers, your line at a park got snaked by some no-ethics-having-dork and more people were giving skaters a bad rep. But you were still able to have a ton o fun. You just learn how to deal with the influx of people. And now you have any little 9th grader that can throw a tray flip down 10 stairs getting sponsored. You know why, 'cause the industry can support that and its rewarding people for trying hard. Who wouldn't want to see this happening in climbing. Lower prices on gear (which has already happened to an extent), easier acess to that gear (again already happened to a large extent), more public media broadcasting the sport you love, increased quality in climbing lit (getting there, I think:), and more money to go around so that when you send that 5.15 or v30 project a company steps up and says "we want to give you new shoes every time you send a route of that grade and we'd like to fly you to the competition in..." Plenty of people got into skating because of the "trendyness" and quickly realized it wasn't for them. But in the mean time they (or Daddy) shelled out a couple hundred bucks to the industry. So, Joe- good luck to your mag UC, I'd buy it just to see climbing and skating in the same mag, then I wouldn't have to buy two different mags. Next time I see it on the rack I'm gonna check it out.
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kyleshea wrote: just fanning the flames, and completelty unrelated to this wonderful UC/mainstream discussion, do you campus many slabs yourself? yes. my secret is tape gloves, made out of dust tape, with the adhesive on the outside. here, hold my beer, watch this.
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chainsaw wrote: robbovius wrote: indevisual wrote: I. It's when people say "I don't want to see rockclimbing (in whatever form that may be) go mainstream" that hurts. What is mainstream? Joe Joe, everyone seems confused here, so let me help. in 2005, Nissan used footage of some climbers - I believe Lynn Hill was in teh advert - campussing up a juggy slab in a tv ad for the Xterra. recently, Carnival Cruise Line have included footage of people top-roping the on-ship climbing wall as part of the enticement to travel their cruise line... as soon as some actitvity is used as TV ad footage, rest assured, IT IS MAINSTREAM, WADDLING RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. rock climbing, my dear friands, is absolutely, positively MAINSTREAM AS FUCK, and there ain't no getting it back. suck it, puzzies. Uh, John Bachar was in a gilette commercial in the early 80's, the snowbird competition was on wide world of sports, other climbers/climbing has been featured on TV since the 60's, so it looks like under your rationale climbing has been mainstream for about 50 years. In the 1960s, when I was a tender 10 or 12, I can remember watching an episode of Wide World of Sports which follwed two guys climbing up some big-ass cliff, pounding pitons in on the way...they even showed a diagram of what constituted a good piton placement. so, yeah. mainsteam. middle of the road. can't walk down the street without tripping over it, kinda.
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